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Eldred
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with experience...
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All depends on your gear ratios though. Having a high ratio to allow
good acceleration is fine as long as you can use it. Drop the ratios
if they are too much to handle. Alison mentions the same on her site.

  Well, tugging around for a few laps on the tail of the novice AI Jimmy
Clark it seems that I'm right with him as far as the turn towards the
tunnel then he just powers off into the distance.  I can't keep full
throttle through the tunnel or the chicane - I lose it every time -
especially if I keep power on when the car lifts.  So what does everyone
do here.  Where are the pro's full throttle?  

  Typically, I get the power down out of the sharp right hander, full
power into the tunnel, have to back it off because it's so damn dark in
there I don't know where the kerbs are (GPL is VERY dark on my machine
with the monitor set to full bright - for some reason gamma adjustment
on my V3000 doesn't work)....  Bit more full power out of the tunnel,
lift for the jump.  Can't get full power through the chicane (usually
hit something there anyway) - bit of power on after the chicane then
have to start braking for that sharp left.  I also find it really hard
to get the power on in that last straight - and braking there is a
nightmare.  

  Anyone good at monaco care to describe how the course _should_ be done
from the tunnel to the final right-hander?  I think that's where I lose
all my time.

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Richard G. Clegg       Only the mind is waving
    Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
      Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
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Hehe.  Actually, I'm USING Alison's setup...<g>  As I've said before, I've had
NO luck trying to work on my own setups, so I gave up.

Eldred
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I read the LOR track guide but this one is only usefull if you're at a certain
level already. I too have the feeling I'm losing a lot of time starting
between the part just before the tunnel and the S/F-line.  Can't get to full
throttle either in the tunnel and have big problems with chicane too (in fact
those times I really have a narrow escape in it I lose it in the next
left-hander because I'm too e***d I really survived that chicane 8>) )

So please: Help us out!

Jan.

Andre

% I read the LOR track guide but this one is only usefull if you're at a certain
% level already. I too have the feeling I'm losing a lot of time starting
% between the part just before the tunnel and the S/F-line.  Can't get to full
% throttle either in the tunnel and have big problems with chicane too (in fact
% those times I really have a narrow escape in it I lose it in the next
% left-hander because I'm too e***d I really survived that chicane 8>) )

% So please: Help us out!

First learn to be gentle and "squeeze" the throttle like a trigger,
don't hammer it.

Play with the number of clutches....

Be bold and play with the ramp angle.  Try 80/60, I find that with the
right setup (may need to work the rear ASB or springs), it is possible
to get through the tunnel with more throttle.  I can't quite make with
full throttle.  Try to keep the car to the inside (without hitting the
curb).  Slightly lift the throttle if the car tends to push on you.

Check your gearing, as someone mentioned short-shifting can help at
Monaco.  Try to find a gearing that will get you into 4th just as you
enter the tunnel.  If you have the revs too high as you go through the
tunnel, the car has more of a tendency to push....

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Rafe Mc

I've found the best, most driveable car and setup to be Alison's
Brabham setup. Most suitable car to Monaco I think (for us Novices
anyway!!) because you can short shift and use the torque to get the
power down better. I dropped her steering ratio down to 10:1, and
dropped 1st gear to as low as possible, that has worked a treat. As
was mentioned earlier in this thread, I found it smoother and more
controllable to have a low (10:1 ratio) steering to get around the
hairpins, but have bumped the linearity to be dead middle, just for
Monaco. This makes the car much less twitchy on the straights, so I'm
not fighting oversteer. I found turning the hack back on to be to
difficult as the ratio changes from 7:1 to 20:1.

As mentioned previously as well, pointing the car at the gap in the
buildings to get through the chicane was a master stroke as well. Just
seems to work every time!!

I don't get the power down well enough in the tunnel straight either,
but I definately go full throttle for as long as possible, just
lifting while in the tunnel, as as the car gets light coming out. 3rd,
4th and 5th gears only though, 2nd just gives me wheel spin (and
spins).

My biggest problem now is braking for the Gazometres hairpin at the
end, that curve catches me up all the time. Spinning is just too damn
easy.

Rafe Mc

On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:41:56 +0100, Jan Hovius

  Actually, I found a great tip which took a couple of seconds off my
previous time.  After the chicane, don't brake but continue to
accelerate.  At the last minute before the left hander, turn the car so
it slides sideways and change down into first.  With luck you slam
sideways into the barrier stopping instantly and can move off in first
gear.  Took a couple of seconds off my best time and I bet it has
applications for other corners at Monaco :-)

  (What do you mean it's cheating?)

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Richard G. Clegg       Only the mind is waving
    Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
      Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
    www:  http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

Rail-riding is *really* effective at Monaco, you can ride flat-out round the
outside of Ste Devote (especially effective at the start), and round
Massenet (the left-hander at the top of the Beau Rivage hill), and also at
Tabac too if you time it right. In my first (off-line) race at monaco I was
about 30 seconds behind everyone else after 4 laps so I tried this and
shattered the lap record, and spent days figuring out how to remove it from
the personal best and lap record files...

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I too used to have problems braking for this hairpin, caused by sticking
to the driving line and then trying to brake and have to turn in
slightly at the same time.  Eventually I learned to just move the car
slightly to the left of this line, just before I reached my braking
point.  This allowed me to brake in more of a straight line and hense
harder and less prone to spinning/getting squirrely.  I find that I can
brake that little bit later now and still make the corner easily.

By the way, you can also do this before St Devote by going slightly to
the right before braking. :-)
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Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)

No person's opinions can be said to be
more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.

I manged my best time by a full second by accident at the same place.
Now its stuck in my best times, but I have no chance of beating it
without the same railriding. Maybe in 300 laps time...