rec.autos.simulators

Yes!!!!   Please..!!!!

Doesn't the Amiga have its own NewsGroup?

By the way, since you brought up VR Racing AND you don't care about posting
continuity, you happen to have a track editor handy for VR Racing?

Didn't think so.

Ralf

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Perhaps the incredibly talented people at iD would be willing to create a
Racing Sim that allows users to create tracks, etc.  Then again, maybe they
are smart people and realize that would be catering to a smaller audience than
they'd care to work for.

Perhaps someone is already to close to doing so.  My hat's off to this person.
 I suggest s/he check in on this group and put to rest this stupendous request
from the hundreds of people wishing to create their own tracks, or edit
existing ones.

If you're out there, please let us know, so that we can get back to
constructive discussions concerning racing sims as opposed to games.

Ralf

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And received the following response:

[much deleted]

Says it all Ralf.

I like to make it clear that I too have absolutely no desire for a
track editor which essentially would turn the SIM into an arcade game.

From the response I have received so far, it also appears no-one much
cares about having  LAN support.

BTW Byron, (and I welcome further comment or correction here if
someone out there better informed can illuminate the technical issues
more clearly), if Papyrus can get ICR working well over an analogue
phone system, a Novell net of 4 - 8 drivable cars with the rest of the
field computer controlled wouldn't exactly present them or 10 Mbps
ethernet/twisted pair with a major dilemma, and would be significantly
easier to write than creating 'Byronworld' using a  "track editor"
with all the variables you desire...IMHO.

Regards

Keiron
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I suspect that he wanted to do a figure 8 track and play smash 'em up
and port it to Sega or his Amiga

Ralf

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[referring to someone wishing to write a track editor]

 It seems to me that you think that:

 1) if you have ICR-like program and you can only run on real tracks,
 then this is a racing simulator,

 2) if you can use the same program to run on non-real tracks, then it
 becomes a game (should I say: it downgrades to game?)

 I'd like to remove all the chicanes from Monza and restore the 2nd
 Lesmo turn to its pre-1994 status.  This will bring me back to the
 original 50s track.  Then I'd like to restore the Indy-like ring so I
 can get the 10Kms track they run on a couple of times (By the way, it
 was something like this

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 So, is this a legitimate simulation use of a car racing program or it
 is just console stuff?

 And, believe me, ICR, NASCAR and F1GP *are* just games.  They will
 become simulations the day you'll get hurt crashing on a wall.  Until
 then, they are just programs attempting to give you the feeling of
 driving a racing car and to do that they have to better some aspects
 of the reality (no injuries).  So, why couln't I be allowed to better
 the reality to a further degree by creating new tracks for my
 personal use (I won't force you to run on them...) and for the people
 who'll like them?

 Paolo Montrasio

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        No kidding Ralph.  Duh.  Why do you think you are the smartest
person on the planet?

        It is both a game and sim.

bsl
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Forget what I said yesterday, this is fun.  It has been a long time since I've
seen such a display of idiocy.  Keep it up.  Bring it on.  I'm salivating at
the prospect of reading more bullshit eminating from your pea-brain.  C'mon.

Ralf

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I, personnaly, would prefer to see these support (be it online,
Internet or Lan)  to be in the form of add-on package rather than to
be included in the game so that to keep the price down.  Furthermore,
these add-on can be release later on, thus allowing to deliver ICR 2.0
earlier.

Thanks

Nicolas

I also just returned from Indy qualifying and played the new version at
Fanfest.  I had the chance to talk to the Papyrus rep for quite a while while
waiting in line.  

First off, The version being played was a beta copy of SVGA indycar, with
network support.  They were running a novel network with ethernet cards and
the commercial version should be out Aug - Sep. time frame, and it will
support multiplayer mode over LAN.  

As for track editors, he told methey use AutoCAD to design tracks, and then
the completed track is imported into the game somehow.  My limited knowldege
of game programming prohibited a more indepth discussion of how it's compiled.

If you really want more information, the guys name is David Matson, and I'm
sure you could write him, fe seemed to be a pretty nice guy, at

        Schurmann stands up and gives a cheer.  Way to go Paolo.  You
tell 'um!

bryon

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My comments in reference to track editors and such are specifically aimed at
IndyCar Racing by Papyrus, which is a sim/game that serves a purpose, and has
no need of editors of that type.  If someone wants to create a racing sim that
allows the creation of customs tracks, I encourage them to do so.  But to
expect it to come from IndyCar Racing by Papyrus is merely asking Papyrus to
do the bulk of the work for you ("you" in general terms).  If that person
wants such a game/sim, write it.

Ralf

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First off, The version being played was a beta copy of SVGA indycar, with
network support.  They were running a novel network with ethernet cards
and
the commercial version should be out Aug - Sep. time frame, and it will
support multiplayer mode over LAN.  
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I think you misunderstood.

What we showed at Fanfest was specially made just for Fanfest. It was not
ICR 2.0. It did have SVGA-quality car definitions, but did not have the
new artwork being developed for ICR 2.0.

Furthermore, while yes, we do run multiplayer testing in-house over a
Novell network, there are no plans at this time to release such a product.
The multiplayer service is a dial-in service provided by Papyrus through
which you can race against other players in various leagues. Again, there
is no plan at this time to release a multiplayer, network version of ICR
or NASCAR.

Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing 2.0
Papyrus Design Group, Inc.