rec.autos.simulators

>    The FIA are not proposing a cap for everyone - it is an option.

>    See here -
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>    "This 'two-tier' solution where teams volunteer their financial
> information in exchange for being able to run to more liberal technical
> regulations may resolve that problem. But it does not completely convince
> me that budget capping will work. For example, what if a company announces
> it wishes to compete in F1 in 2011, having already spent 200m on research
> and development in 2010?"

>    So back to my point - why even allow anyone to continue the way they
> are now. Why would you spend multiple millions when you only need to spend
> 30 or so? The entire proposal is idiotic.

>    And as mentioned in the above, what about the years of research and
> facilities set up by the manufacturers over the years - let's just***it
> all away?

>    The cap idea is ridiculous. The idea of having capped teams running in
> the same series as uncapped teams (hamstrung by rules) is even more
> idiotic!

>    It is my present understanding that the $20M cap is not compulsory - it
> is an option.


>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:43:37 +1000, "Byron Forbes"

>>>    Not sure what you mean - I think one of us is missing the point.

>> I guess he means that the present manufacturers now can prove they're
>> fast because they're clever, not just because they spent a lot of
>> money...

>> Cheers!

>> Remco

>    Now we're excluding driver's salaries - the wheels are falling off
> already. LOL

>    Good old Maxy baby aye - he thinks he needs to invite the manufacturers
> to join the cap. Does he really think he needs to? Does he really think
> they'll spend $500M when they can build the same for about $70? Mosley and
> Ecclestone are ***ed - they've completely lost the plot!

>    I wonder if Bernie's Mrs left because she knew that or if he lost the
> plot after she left. As for the FIA - well what would you expect from an
> ?organization? that allows itself to be headed up by a caned arse freak?

>    Pitiful!

>>    Ok, let's make sure we're on the same page here.

>>    The FIA are not proposing a cap for everyone - it is an option.

>>    See here -
>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>>    "This 'two-tier' solution where teams volunteer their financial
>> information in exchange for being able to run to more liberal technical
>> regulations may resolve that problem. But it does not completely convince
>> me that budget capping will work. For example, what if a company
>> announces it wishes to compete in F1 in 2011, having already spent 200m
>> on research and development in 2010?"

>>    So back to my point - why even allow anyone to continue the way they
>> are now. Why would you spend multiple millions when you only need to
>> spend 30 or so? The entire proposal is idiotic.

>>    And as mentioned in the above, what about the years of research and
>> facilities set up by the manufacturers over the years - let's just***
>> it all away?

>>    The cap idea is ridiculous. The idea of having capped teams running in
>> the same series as uncapped teams (hamstrung by rules) is even more
>> idiotic!

>>    It is my present understanding that the $20M cap is not compulsory -
>> it is an option.


>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:43:37 +1000, "Byron Forbes"

>>>>    Not sure what you mean - I think one of us is missing the point.

>>> I guess he means that the present manufacturers now can prove they're
>>> fast because they're clever, not just because they spent a lot of
>>> money...

>>> Cheers!

>>> Remco

>>    And more on this -
>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>>    So it seems large penalties may be handed out over this utter rubbish.

>>    For those who might not know, Hamilton slowed way down under yellow in
>> Australia and Trulli went around him. After the race (and maybe during)
>> they asked Hamilton if he let Trulli past or not. Hamilton, apparently
>> under instruction over the radio lied and said he didn't for whatever
>> reason.

>>    Again I challenge anyone to explain why Lewis was asked this question
>> anyway!

>>    This is like the ultimate example of ask me no questions I'll tell you
>> no lies!

> The whole incident is nuts. Even Nascar can get the cars in position
> behind a pace car before a restart. Now they are talking about 30 race
> points and/or a possible 2 race suspension for something so crazy. Whether
> Hamilton let Trulli pass or not isn't the main issue IMO. FIA, with all
> their technology could have just told Trulli to fall back behind Hamilton
> and all this ***would be moot.

>>    And more on this -
>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>>    So it seems large penalties may be handed out over this utter rubbish.

>>    For those who might not know, Hamilton slowed way down under yellow in
>> Australia and Trulli went around him. After the race (and maybe during)
>> they asked Hamilton if he let Trulli past or not. Hamilton, apparently
>> under instruction over the radio lied and said he didn't for whatever
>> reason.

>>    Again I challenge anyone to explain why Lewis was asked this question
>> anyway!

>>    This is like the ultimate example of ask me no questions I'll tell you
>> no lies!

> The whole incident is nuts. Even Nascar can get the cars in position
> behind a pace car before a restart. Now they are talking about 30 race
> points and/or a possible 2 race suspension for something so crazy. Whether
> Hamilton let Trulli pass or not isn't the main issue IMO. FIA, with all
> their technology could have just told Trulli to fall back behind Hamilton
> and all this ***would be moot.

> Ed

>>>    And more on this -
>>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>>>    So it seems large penalties may be handed out over this utter
>>> rubbish.

>>>    For those who might not know, Hamilton slowed way down under yellow
>>> in Australia and Trulli went around him. After the race (and maybe
>>> during) they asked Hamilton if he let Trulli past or not. Hamilton,
>>> apparently under instruction over the radio lied and said he didn't for
>>> whatever reason.

>>>    Again I challenge anyone to explain why Lewis was asked this question
>>> anyway!

>>>    This is like the ultimate example of ask me no questions I'll tell
>>> you no lies!

>> The whole incident is nuts. Even Nascar can get the cars in position
>> behind a pace car before a restart. Now they are talking about 30 race
>> points and/or a possible 2 race suspension for something so crazy.
>> Whether Hamilton let Trulli pass or not isn't the main issue IMO. FIA,
>> with all their technology could have just told Trulli to fall back behind
>> Hamilton and all this ***would be moot.

>> Ed

>    100% correct! What's annoying me about the entire thing is that the
> focus is on a fib (stupid as the fib was) instead of on the fact how
> stupid the FIA are for asking a redundant question in the first place. The
> stewards see all the same things Trulli saw - whether Hamilton lets him
> around, has a mechanical problem or whatever makes no difference - you
> have good reason to pass a car under yellow that is not keeping pace with
> the pack! It's just that simple!