rec.autos.simulators

by **Txl** » Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:46:39

Ok, don't get mad at me just yet....read this before

As far as I could see this guy was a sort of American Senna.

So he was "rough" (not to say hard or unfair) in races, he was living for
racing and he couldn't stop (49 is an age where you normally don't do this
anymore...)

Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, getting old,
stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racing while
the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting
pushed by them ?

Of course you can always say that for his family and all this it is
terrible, as it is for every family to lose someone, but for HIM ? Of course
we didn't choose to die and he didn't WANT to but if you look in perspective
it's probably what he wanted, no to die in a hospital with 25 tubes coming
in and out of his body but while doing what he LOVED and what he was good
at.

I know that for Senna everybody who had an interested eye in F1 knew this
was going to happen one day, everybody knew that Prost would NOT get hurt,
and Senna would, and Schumacher will also (unless he "cools" down after
Silverstone last year and his operation last november).

Senna "should" have died 2 or 3 times before when he barrel rolled in mexico
at more than 200 Kph two years in a row...when you do this kind of activity
you can't be on the "edge" too long, too often, I don't know if Earhardt was
on the edge in this particular corner of this particular race but from my
limited knowledge of Nascar racing (which I don't particularily like) he was
often enough on the edge.

Then come the question of "rules and safety", Nascar is an independant
organisation, the FIA has nothing to say and the organizers are the ones who
make the rules unlike F1 where Bernie (*** him) acts as a sort of "damper"
between the "rulers" (FIA) and the organizers controlled by FOCA (or FOA).

Personnaly I think that the people governing Nascar are "not clean" on this,
they are absolute rulers and only care about TV rights...and you know what,
it is sad to say, but I am sure that next race will have record attendance,
on the track and on TV....so in a way they are right.

Okay, flame me now.

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:13:28

>Ok, don't get mad at me just yet....read this before
<snip>
>Of course you can always say that for his family and all this it is
>terrible, as it is for every family to lose someone, but for HIM ? Of course
>we didn't choose to die and he didn't WANT to but if you look in perspective
>it's probably what he wanted, no to die in a hospital with 25 tubes coming
>in and out of his body but while doing what he LOVED and what he was good
>at.
<snip>
>Okay, flame me now.

No need for that, "it's better to burn out than to fade away" as the
Kurgan said..
But I'm just getting into Nascar racing since a year or so, and I
would have liked to see Dale's agressive racing for many, many more
races..
Senna: I hated the guy, but I still miss him at every F1 race..
:(

Andre

by **Tim** » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:19:45

>Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, getting old,
>stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racing while
>the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting
>pushed by them ?

He owned two cars, and two drivers that were obviously cabable of
winning races driving them, one of which just happened to be his son.
Earnhardt wasn't going to be a commentator, he was prepared to retire
from driving and becoming the full time owner of a team with huge
potential.

I can't imagine a better future.

Tim

by **Jon Nelso** » Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:08:48

Phhhhttttttt.. Wrong. You claim it was best for Dale. You are wrong. He was
first and foremost a husband, father and grandfather. Regardless of what he
would have done for a profession, to think that he wouldn't have rather been
around to be with his family is hogwash..

> >Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, getting
old,
> >stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racing
while
> >the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting
> >pushed by them ?

> He owned two cars, and two drivers that were obviously cabable of
> winning races driving them, one of which just happened to be his son.
> Earnhardt wasn't going to be a commentator, he was prepared to retire
> from driving and becoming the full time owner of a team with huge
> potential.

> I can't imagine a better future.

> Tim

by **darre..** » Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:42:19

It's really hard to tell if your post was meant just to get people
angry or not. I will agree with you that it's "good for earnhardt" but
not for the reasons you stated. I say this because I believe he is in
a better place now. But, for the rest of us, sundays will never be the
same. I'm not even an Earnhardt fan but I will be the first to say
that without him involved in the sport for the past 20 years nascar
would not be where it is today.

>Ok, don't get mad at me just yet....read this before

>As far as I could see this guy was a sort of American Senna.

>So he was "rough" (not to say hard or unfair) in races, he was living for
>racing and he couldn't stop (49 is an age where you normally don't do this
>anymore...)

>Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, getting old,
>stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racing while
>the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting
>pushed by them ?

>Of course you can always say that for his family and all this it is
>terrible, as it is for every family to lose someone, but for HIM ? Of course
>we didn't choose to die and he didn't WANT to but if you look in perspective
>it's probably what he wanted, no to die in a hospital with 25 tubes coming
>in and out of his body but while doing what he LOVED and what he was good
>at.

>I know that for Senna everybody who had an interested eye in F1 knew this
>was going to happen one day, everybody knew that Prost would NOT get hurt,
>and Senna would, and Schumacher will also (unless he "cools" down after
>Silverstone last year and his operation last november).

>Senna "should" have died 2 or 3 times before when he barrel rolled in mexico
>at more than 200 Kph two years in a row...when you do this kind of activity
>you can't be on the "edge" too long, too often, I don't know if Earhardt was
>on the edge in this particular corner of this particular race but from my
>limited knowledge of Nascar racing (which I don't particularily like) he was
>often enough on the edge.

>Then come the question of "rules and safety", Nascar is an independant
>organisation, the FIA has nothing to say and the organizers are the ones who
>make the rules unlike F1 where Bernie (*** him) acts as a sort of "damper"
>between the "rulers" (FIA) and the organizers controlled by FOCA (or FOA).

>Personnaly I think that the people governing Nascar are "not clean" on this,
>they are absolute rulers and only care about TV rights...and you know what,
>it is sad to say, but I am sure that next race will have record attendance,
>on the track and on TV....so in a way they are right.

>Okay, flame me now.

by **Txl** » Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:00:34

I am not a native english speaker so i'll make it more simple this time

Do you think that Dale would have "prefered" dying of sickness in his bed,
long forgotten and unable to do the ONE thing he loved because his body just
couldn't....

OR

Die still in full possession of his abilities, while doing what he enjoyed
the most ?

You could say the same about James Dean, Marylin Monroe, Enrico Caruso
(dying on stage, same as Dale)

See what I mean ?

by **S??bastien Tixi** » Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:23:25

Do your question is :

"Do you prefer live on your knees or die on your feet ?"

My answer is : I prefer live on my knees that not live.
I would prefer die old near my friends and family enjoying their loves
in the last moments of my life than young alone in a race car.

IMHO.

regards,

--
Seb
Game Developer
GPLRank -41.68
http://magicfr.multimania.com

by **Mike Eppe** » Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:32:52

I'm guessing Txl doesn't have any children.

by **Alan Conceic** » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:22:32

At least if he died forgotten in the bed (which would not have happened....this
guy is a gargantuan figure in racing), he could have said goodbye to his
family.

-
Alan

Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
"The Last American Hero"
R.I.P.

by **andre** » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:42:25

idiot.

> Ok, don't get mad at me just yet....read this before

> As far as I could see this guy was a sort of American Senna.

> So he was "rough" (not to say hard or unfair) in races, he was living for
> racing and he couldn't stop (49 is an age where you normally don't do this
> anymore...)

> Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, getting old,
> stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racing while
> the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting
> pushed by them ?

> Of course you can always say that for his family and all this it is
> terrible, as it is for every family to lose someone, but for HIM ? Of course
> we didn't choose to die and he didn't WANT to but if you look in perspective
> it's probably what he wanted, no to die in a hospital with 25 tubes coming
> in and out of his body but while doing what he LOVED and what he was good
> at.

> I know that for Senna everybody who had an interested eye in F1 knew this
> was going to happen one day, everybody knew that Prost would NOT get hurt,
> and Senna would, and Schumacher will also (unless he "cools" down after
> Silverstone last year and his operation last november).

> Senna "should" have died 2 or 3 times before when he barrel rolled in mexico
> at more than 200 Kph two years in a row...when you do this kind of activity
> you can't be on the "edge" too long, too often, I don't know if Earhardt was
> on the edge in this particular corner of this particular race but from my
> limited knowledge of Nascar racing (which I don't particularily like) he was
> often enough on the edge.

> Then come the question of "rules and safety", Nascar is an independant
> organisation, the FIA has nothing to say and the organizers are the ones who
> make the rules unlike F1 where Bernie (*** him) acts as a sort of "damper"
> between the "rulers" (FIA) and the organizers controlled by FOCA (or FOA).

> Personnaly I think that the people governing Nascar are "not clean" on this,
> they are absolute rulers and only care about TV rights...and you know what,
> it is sad to say, but I am sure that next race will have record attendance,
> on the track and on TV....so in a way they are right.

> Okay, flame me now.

by **Mark Seer** » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:18:05

You don't need flaming. Just a couple of guys in white coats to make you
comfortable.....

MS

by **Mark Seer** » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:30:51

I bet Jackie Stewart, Mario Andretti, Stirling Moss, John Surtees et al are
wishing they are dead. Hey. Damon Hill is pretty grey around the temples
these days, shall we include him?

It must be terrible for these guys to continue living fulfilling lifestyles
way beyond the dreams and expectations of the average man in the street,
whilst continuing to achieve goals in business and other areas of life that
most wannabees spend a lifetime dreaming about.

Hey, I bet Nigel Mansell is almost suicidal, thinking about having to go and
play a round of golf on his own course, whenever he feels the urge. It must
be terrible for all these people to watch their families growing up without
the material worries the rest of us endure, safe in the knowledge that they
will never want for anything.

Maybe we should build a Logan's run carrousel and place 40 year old Nascar
and Indycar drivers on it at the age of 40. (Make it 35 for GP drivers) We
could ensure that the thing revolves at 200 mph so as to make them happy as
they begin to rise......

Idiot !!

MS

> Do your question is :

> "Do you prefer live on your knees or die on your feet ?"

> My answer is : I prefer live on my knees that not live.
> I would prefer die old near my friends and family enjoying their loves
> in the last moments of my life than young alone in a race car.

> IMHO.

> regards,

> >I am not a native english speaker so i'll make it more simple this time

> >Do you think that Dale would have "prefered" dying of sickness in his
> >bed, long forgotten and unable to do the ONE thing he loved because his
> >body just couldn't....

> >OR

> >Die still in full possession of his abilities, while doing what he
> >enjoyed the most ?

> >You could say the same about James Dean, Marylin Monroe, Enrico Caruso
> >(dying on stage, same as Dale)

> >See what I mean ?

> --
> Seb
> Game Developer
> GPLRank -41.68
> http://magicfr.multimania.com

by **S??bastien Tixi** » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:46:46

hi,

english is not my native language, but it seems that your post is pretty
ironic...

I don't understand if it's an answer to my post or to txl's post ?

I totaly disagree with Txl, IMO every living being prefer live than die.

It's seems, when reading your other posts that we have the same opinion
on txl's post, so i thing it's a mistake that you insult me to be an Idiot !

I would accept very humbly your apology on this .

I didn't mean to say that a pilot prefer die in a car than live deserted by
the mass media but loved by their families.

king regards,

>I bet Jackie Stewart, Mario Andretti, Stirling Moss, John Surtees et al
[Snip on Ironic ]
>make them happy as they begin to rise......

>Idiot !!

>MS

>> Do your question is :

>> "Do you prefer live on your knees or die on your feet ?"

>> My answer is : I prefer live on my knees that not live.
>> I would prefer die old near my friends and family enjoying their loves
>> in the last moments of my life than young alone in a race car.

>> IMHO.

>> regards,

--
Seb
Game Developer
GPLRank -41.68
http://magicfr.multimania.com

by **Wille** » Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:37:16

Hi,

I won't flame you, but you're probably not much older then 20...or
even a lot younger...
I think D.E would have been very happy to retire at a certain point
and enjoy his ranch.....his family...grand children...
The idea of 'dying when you're doing what you love to do' is very
romantic and sometimes heroic but it's a load of bull.
The only time when dying what you love to do is a good thing is when
you know you'll die of cancer in a month anyways...or something like
that.
D.E would have probably been very happy dying at 95 in his bed
surrounded by his family...

Willem