rec.autos.simulators

by **C. Y** » Mon, 06 Jun 1994 08:15:06

I want to hear from all the experienced or fast (whatever the case may
be) ICR drivers. I'm new to ICR, so I'd like to know if you follow a
system or method in changing the default settings of your car. What do
you usually change first (then second, third, etc)? Do you change more
than one setting at a time?

I ask for this help because I'm having trouble at Milwaukee. At first
the car insisted in spinning ccw in turn 1, then it wanted to climb the
wall, now it is plain unsteady.

by **Daniel Dru** » Mon, 06 Jun 1994 14:08:54

: I want to hear from all the experienced or fast (whatever the case may
: be) ICR drivers. I'm new to ICR, so I'd like to know if you follow a
: system or method in changing the default settings of your car. What do
: you usually change first (then second, third, etc)? Do you change more
: than one setting at a time?

Ok, first I set up the downforce, get a rough idea of how much
wing I think I will need. Then I get the shocks set up, then choose the
tires. I set the wheel lock then move to the gears and then set the roll
bars hard in front and soft in back.
Then I roll her out for some laps at 40 gallons. Then 20. then
back in, check uniform tire temps, adjust shocks, change wings. Back out.
Dial in the roll bars, set camber to get the tires even, check tire
pressure. Adjust stagger, adjust shocks. Play with roll bars again.
Adjust wings. Change gear ratios.

Sound pretty haphazard? It is, sorta. I basically goof around,
trying alot of different combos.

Milwaukee is tomorrow and I've been running it tonight. I can't
finish a race at 50% There is just too much damn traffic and things get
really hairy. I was in 2nd, right behind Emmo, with Little AL running
side by side. Came up on some traffic, and made this daring move around
J. Andretti in the Interstate car. Flying down the front straight, Al Jr.
and Emmo dice it up and I have to apply brake from a sudden swerve by
Little Al. Andretti plows into my rear end sending me into the wall in a
crash i doubt I woulda walked away from. Maddening, I was on Lap 41.

Anyhow, I can't say i have a methodology for working the car,
other than to set it up to slightly overrev on 9 boost and have it there
if you need it. Also, give yourself some play with the bars, cause as the
tires get toasty, the car wants to push. At Milwaukee, you need the car
to be responsive and a bit skittish, I like to run a big wheel lock arc.

Dice it up and get that damn Lyn St. James the hell outta the way!
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Daniel G. Drumm

by **Eric Ze** » Tue, 07 Jun 1994 22:07:10

>Subject: ICR Settings - is there a system/method?
>Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 23:15:06 GMT
>I want to hear from all the experienced or fast (whatever the case may
>be) ICR drivers. I'm new to ICR, so I'd like to know if you follow a
>system or method in changing the default settings of your car. What do
>you usually change first (then second, third, etc)? Do you change more
>than one setting at a time?
>I ask for this help because I'm having trouble at Milwaukee. At first
>the car insisted in spinning ccw in turn 1, then it wanted to climb the
>wall, now it is plain unsteady.

Actually, I find that Milwaukee is one of the easiest tracks to go fast on.
What I usually do for setup is give myself tons of wing to at least get me
used to the track. The I try a set of tires (i.e. certain compunds that I
think will work) and set the stagger. (I use a lot of stagger on ovals -
close to 1.00" ). After this I will set the shocks and camber. I find that
Milwaulkee needs really stiff settings up front and a little softer in the
rear. Then I will adjust the gearing, once again to what I think is right. (
Generally you get an idea of this when you're practice lapping, noting when
the revs are hitting the limit.) From here I'll run some laps and then
adjust tire pressure depending on the tire temps and adjust camber if
necessary. Once I have the suspension part of it down, I go to gearing.
This is really experimental, although I generally favour tight ratios for
1st 2nd and 3rd and then go to taller gearing for the later gears. Once the
gearing is right, I'll start to decrease the wing, fine tuning the bars,
until I can get around the track without being too loose.

For Milwaulkee, I go for about 1" stagger, close to 2 deg neg. caber on the
right wheels and 1 deg. neg on the right. Front shocks are about 100% and
rears are at about 75%. I run 8.15 deg front wing/7.5 rear wing for
qualifying and 9 deg./7.75 deg for racing.

Hope this helps!!!!

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by **Greg Leonhar** » Wed, 08 Jun 1994 02:05:45

>I want to hear from all the experienced or fast (whatever the case may
>be) ICR drivers. I'm new to ICR, so I'd like to know if you follow a
>system or method in changing the default settings of your car. What do
>you usually change first (then second, third, etc)? Do you change more
>than one setting at a time?

The first thing that must be done is to get some seat time at the track
you are attempting to run at. For this just select the EASY setup and
start motoring around. When you get to a point that you feal you can go
fast (after 1 or 2 hunderd laps) then start to tune the car. To do
this you should start by setting the camber and tire pressure. I do
this step first to achieve maximum tire to track adhesion. When setting
up just watch the tire temperatures. You want the tires to read evenly
across each tire. From there I move to shock adjustments and wings and
finaly stagger. Just remember, after each new adjustment you may have to
go back and recalibrate previous settings.

I too have been setting up for Milwaukee. Still have some work to do
because of a push in turn four with full tank. After about ten laps,
I can keep it flat out all the way around averaging about 164MPH when
full and 167 when below half full. I can set up for faster laps but
with only a 386/33 a conservative setup is required when there is traffic
around. My other problem is that I can't get the mileage high enough
to complete a 200 lap race with just three stops.

by **Rob Heppensta** » Sun, 12 Jun 1994 01:23:02

: >Subject: ICR Settings - is there a system/method?
: >Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 23:15:06 GMT

: >I want to hear from all the experienced or fast (whatever the case may
: >be) ICR drivers. I'm new to ICR, so I'd like to know if you follow a
: >system or method in changing the default settings of your car. What do
: >you usually change first (then second, third, etc)? Do you change more
: >than one setting at a time?

What I do is load up the FAST settings, make a note of the wings,
load the ACE settings, and then adjust the wings 'till half-way
between FAST and ACE. Then take it from there..

Robh

by **Marcos Vivi** » Tue, 14 Jun 1994 16:02:55

Milwalkee is pretty easy

Leave the shocks/ camber and gearing alone after you load up ACE

I like a loose car so maybe drop a little off the back wing, and move
you're brake bias a little back, that way if things get hairy mid corner

you only have to brush the brakes to get the oversteer and get under
someone , or the wall.

N.B. watch out for tire wear, you'll find with this set up you can only
last about 27 gallons worth at full boost, but by this stage you should

have enough of a cushion to make a stop, another 26 gallons and off you
go, it does work out better as you go heaps faster on half empty tanks

( and i don't have the patience to look after tires for that long.