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TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

Sting3

TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

by Sting3 » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:00:21

Okey dokey fellas, seems there must be duplicates to some of the tracks out
there?  But what is up with the "SPA-Francor<cant spell it anyway>" that was
up last evening (at least 2 servers had it up?)  PWF's are clearly marked
PWF so that there is no misconception on whether or not I (or you) have that
track...  Where the Heck did you guys get one?  I got one off the USPITS
site, under NR2003/tracks I believe.  says 3 major things are changed when I
tried to get in a race.  It don't matter as such, I just am "guessing" that
the version you got is preferred rendition or something?

I also just wonder I see more or less 2 tracks listed under TPTCC site,
about 20 under NR2003/tracks on the pits, yet there are several tracks
people a running I would like to atleast see?  Even if I don't join a
race...

Yah, Im not road course person, I get lost at Pocono sometimes (more than 4
turns  HEHEHEHEE), but I like to try to imporve-expand ya know?

Appreciate the info guys, and read the above with the intended "jest" that I
wrote it with...

--Sting32

Mitch_

TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

by Mitch_ » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:15:27

No wonder you get lost at Pocoho.  That 4th turn is a real duese  :-)

IIRC a group is trying to promote a standard on track creation.  I don't
have the details but maybe someone in the know can explain in more detail.

Mitch



Goy Larse

TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

by Goy Larse » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:47:43


> No wonder you get lost at Pocoho.  That 4th turn is a real duese  :-)

> IIRC a group is trying to promote a standard on track creation.  I don't
> have the details but maybe someone in the know can explain in more detail.

You mean this ?

http://www.theuspits.com/sims/nascar_racing/files/n2003_track_creatio...

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Goy Larse

TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

by Goy Larse » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:52:00


> Okey dokey fellas, seems there must be duplicates to some of the tracks out
> there?  But what is up with the "SPA-Francor<cant spell it anyway>" that was
> up last evening (at least 2 servers had it up?)  PWF's are clearly marked
> PWF so that there is no misconception on whether or not I (or you) have that
> track...  Where the Heck did you guys get one?  I got one off the USPITS
> site, under NR2003/tracks I believe.  says 3 major things are changed when I
> tried to get in a race.  It don't matter as such, I just am "guessing" that
> the version you got is preferred rendition or something?

You didn't download Spa from us :-), as far as we are concerned the only
way to get it is by having GPL and using David Noonan's converter to get
it into N2003

Spa, like many other tracks in the converter has been updated in the
latest version of the converter, released only a couple of weeks ago, to
support the PTA physics, my guess is that the races on Sierra were using
the latest version and you had an older one or something

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Sting3

TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

by Sting3 » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:57:23

Goy,

Crap, sure didnt mean to stand here and proclaim that the pits had a track
that they didnt.  So at anyrate, I have the GPL, NRlegends, and all  NR2 -
NR03 CD's.  So how do I make sure I get compatable tracks?  I infer from
your reply that I need to buy noonans converter to get the track?
(obviously omitting dling it from somewhere)

Goy, can ya clarify this while your at it?  If I have the track installed on
GPL, (which I do) and some of the updates I found using the GPL track
database, what are the chances of having the "compatable" track to what the
server(s) might have loaded?  What is the 'plan' about this, or is this even
a problem?  Is the converter only going to make 1 definite version?  I mean
I have seen 2 or 3 "versions" of IRP now including the PWF one, the others
(probably back a year ago where I also found the Spa track?)

I suppose I am asking something along the lines of "can/will you tell me
where to pirate some software" when in fact I am not meaning to.  I do read
a lot, but sometimes I just dl and race, so I don't/didn't know that finding
tracks were violating some thing, be it Noonans software nor the tracks
original makers.  Thanks for the info and for getting me straight Goy.

--Sting32



> > Okey dokey fellas, seems there must be duplicates to some of the tracks
out
> > there?  But what is up with the "SPA-Francor<cant spell it anyway>" that
was
> > up last evening (at least 2 servers had it up?)  PWF's are clearly
marked
> > PWF so that there is no misconception on whether or not I (or you) have
that
> > track...  Where the Heck did you guys get one?  I got one off the USPITS
> > site, under NR2003/tracks I believe.  says 3 major things are changed
when I
> > tried to get in a race.  It don't matter as such, I just am "guessing"
that
> > the version you got is preferred rendition or something?

> You didn't download Spa from us :-), as far as we are concerned the only
> way to get it is by having GPL and using David Noonan's converter to get
> it into N2003

> Spa, like many other tracks in the converter has been updated in the
> latest version of the converter, released only a couple of weeks ago, to
> support the PTA physics, my guess is that the races on Sierra were using
> the latest version and you had an older one or something

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

Goy Larse

TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

by Goy Larse » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:45:03


> Crap, sure didnt mean to stand here and proclaim that the pits had a track
> that they didnt.  So at anyrate, I have the GPL, NRlegends, and all  NR2 -
> NR03 CD's.  So how do I make sure I get compatable tracks?  I infer from
> your reply that I need to buy noonans converter to get the track?
> (obviously omitting dling it from somewhere)

LOL, it was just a tad amusing that's all :-), yes, the fact of the
matter is that the end result you get when running the converter is
copyrighted, it contains Papy code (not distributed with the converter,
it's copied from the tracks you provide) as well as a lot of David's
hard work and knowledge, there's a lot of tricks to get these old tracks
to run in N2003

In my opinion, and quite a few others, the 20 dollars or so that David
is asking for his converter is well worth it for 39 tracks or how many
there's in there now, if you want to see how the latest converter works,
there's a demo converter you can DL from our place, it converts 4 tracks
and has been updated with the latest PTA stuff

The recommended procedure is to convert a "basic" track to ensure online
compatibility, if you have DL'ed some of the rather stunning updates to
the original tracks and want to run on those as well, I suggest
converting the track twice, one with the add ons and one without, one
for offline use and one for online

The basic tracks don't look "bad" when run through the converter, but
obviously it can't compare to such tracks as the special updates they
did for Monaco for instance, but there's on option in the converter to
"include updates" when you convert a track, some tracks, like BullRun
and Nurburgring have been updated for N2003, and a couple of others as
well if memory serves me right, hopefully more tracks will get that
treatment, try DL'ing the latest version of BullRun that was totally
reworked for this year's BR1000 by David "KESSMAN57" Kesterson from
Torn8oalley.com

The "plan" when running converted tracks is to run a "basic" conversion,
you can add updates afterwards if they are available as that doesn't'
affect the track.dat file, but updates before conversion is included in
the track.dat and you end up with a different track.dat than the next
guy who had different updates installed to his GPL track

For new tracks, see the TCG guide I posted link to earlier, it's posted
on several major sites and message boards as a "guide" to a naming
convention for 3rd party tracks

Well, I fully support the editors, which means I don't visit sites that
offers stuff for DL that's not theirs to offer, there is one site in
particular who offers tracks for DL without giving proper credit to the
original author, be it David Noonan or others, they even have the gall
to put things like this in the readme "please do not repost without our
permission", whereas Steve B's SimRacingConnection site, which probably
has a more extensive collection of tracks links than any pirate site,
only links to the author's DL page and not even directly to the files
themselves, this means that the original authors has full control over
his work and has the opportunity to provide some info to the people who
visits his site, maybe get a hit or two that gets him another dollar in
sponsorship ads ot whatever

Most of the time however the author gets nothing but a little kick out
of seeing that yet another person has visited his site and DL'ed his
track, and in my not so humble opinion, all the authors out there
deserve that we at least give them that, the credit they deserve

And yes, I feel strongly about this :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

John DiFoo

TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

by John DiFoo » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:22:24

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:57:23 -0600, "Sting32" <Plowboy is


>Goy,

>Crap, sure didnt mean to stand here and proclaim that the pits had a track
>that they didnt.  So at anyrate, I have the GPL, NRlegends, and all  NR2 -
>NR03 CD's.  So how do I make sure I get compatable tracks?  I infer from
>your reply that I need to buy noonans converter to get the track?
>(obviously omitting dling it from somewhere)

>Goy, can ya clarify this while your at it?  If I have the track installed on
>GPL, (which I do) and some of the updates I found using the GPL track
>database, what are the chances of having the "compatable" track to what the
>server(s) might have loaded?  What is the 'plan' about this, or is this even
>a problem?  Is the converter only going to make 1 definite version?  I mean
>I have seen 2 or 3 "versions" of IRP now including the PWF one, the others
>(probably back a year ago where I also found the Spa track?)

I agree that all the versions floating around are a pain: I have to
keep 2 different versions of Spa on my hard drive because I
never know if a server will have the up-to-date one or not (I
wish Dave had gotten rid of that awful bump coming out of
the La Source hairpin-I guess it was a side effect of moving
the pit entrance).  I hope in a year or so that problem will be
minimized (some track creators are wise and include the
version number in the track name, e.g. "RoadOne 1.0" to
avoid such issues).

         John DiFool

Dave Henri

TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

by Dave Henri » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:18:42


   On another thread here they have posted links to try and get Eldred to
finally update his Plain Jane copy of GPL.  The Spa track has some really
good GRAPHIC updates...which I believe do NOT change the original dat file.  
Do graphic updates like this mess up Noonan's convertor??

dave henrie

jason moy

TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

by jason moy » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:31:50

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:18:42 -0600, Dave Henrie


>   On another thread here they have posted links to try and get Eldred to
>finally update his Plain Jane copy of GPL.  The Spa track has some really
>good GRAPHIC updates...which I believe do NOT change the original dat file.  
>Do graphic updates like this mess up Noonan's convertor??

There's an option to attempt to use graphic addons when doing the
conversion.  If you leave the box unchecked, it uses whatever is in
the .dat file.  I haven't tried converting updates that come with a
dat (like those on http://stevelife.m4driving.sm) but I *think* they
would use the updates.

Jason

Michael Horto

TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

by Michael Horto » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:31:25

I can't say for sure Dave but just in case I personally always convert by
pointing the convertor straight to my GPL CD as the GPL install instead of
the directory where GPL is actually installed.

Mike Horton
http://www.cta-racing.com



> > The recommended procedure is to convert a "basic" track to ensure online
> > compatibility, if you have DL'ed some of the rather stunning updates to
> > the original tracks and want to run on those as well, I suggest
> > converting the track twice, one with the add ons and one without, one
> > for offline use and one for online

>    On another thread here they have posted links to try and get Eldred to
> finally update his Plain Jane copy of GPL.  The Spa track has some really
> good GRAPHIC updates...which I believe do NOT change the original dat
file.
> Do graphic updates like this mess up Noonan's convertor??

> dave henrie

Goy Larse

TPTCC & Tracks? How about the pitts linking to alternate tracks sites?

by Goy Larse » Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:57:14



>    On another thread here they have posted links to try and get Eldred to
> finally update his Plain Jane copy of GPL.  The Spa track has some really
> good GRAPHIC updates...which I believe do NOT change the original dat file.
> Do graphic updates like this mess up Noonan's convertor??

It doesn't mess up the converter and in many cases it will include the
updates in the conversion, I haven't done this myself as I've always
used a "basic" conversion, but I've read that some people have had
problems racing online by including the updates, this may vary from
update pack to update pack of course

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--


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