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by **The Other Larr** » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:08:40

If it was ME, it probably would have never even booted without
blue-screening, so you're right. It wouldn't have had a chance to freeze.

:)

-Larry

> Hi Rob,

> maybe under ME it wouldn't have frozen at all ( I live in the south of
Spain
> BTW ;-)

> Achim

> > This reminds me of the heat issue I was having when I built my newest
> > system - a P4 1.7Ghz.

> > It was about 90 in my apartment, and I was playing NASCAR Racing 4
online.
> > In turn 2, the game locked up. Ctrl-Alt-Del, kill N4, check system
temps,
> > see its way hot, turn the A/C on, reload N4 and continue to play without
> > ever rebooting. Running WinXP. Try that with 95, 98 or ME.

> > > Hi Jason,

> > > I agree with everything you said except hat WinXP is more stable than
> > Win98
> > > for ***. Just look at all the NGs what's going on there about
WinXP.

> > > I've always had a stable system with the older OSes. My current
personal
> > > choice is ME, and I haven't had a prob ever since I installed it. No
> > > bluescreen, no nothing. Never. And I do a lot of

installing/deinstalling

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by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 02:05:35

> As for the Security issue. XP is still the better OS IMO. You download the
> patch, install it, and you are done. All other OS's from MS have had the

For now, this might be true. Until the next major exploit
trundles along.

Yep, you could give Linux a try. I use Linux Mandrake 8.1 for
near most of my daily work such as email, program development,
office stuff, browsing the web, usenet, playing mp3's,
answering machine and so on, on a "lowly" 350Mhz AMD K6-2 with
"only" 256MB RAM, which runs 24/7, so all I have to do is
switch the monitor on. Heck, I even start FlightGear and take
the old Cessna for a spin from time to time or run Racer 0.4.x
around Carrera just for the fun of it.

Also it runs the DSL firewall for my home LAN consisting of a
*** machine (win98SE, GPL mostly) and a laptop (Red Hat
Linux 7.2).

Point taken, just choose an OS that has a better track record
in security than everything that MS has so far managed to put
out and grab your money for (the above Linux distribution just
costs you the download if you so choose).

Remember they touted XP the "most secure Windows ever"?

Linux isn't rocket science any more, folks.

Cheers & have a happy new year,

uwe

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by **Bart Brow** » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:17:28

BTW, Microsoft now admits that the security hole problem that started
this whole thread is NOT confined to XP -- it's also a problem on ME,
Win2K, and any other iteration of WinBlows that uses the same PlugNPray architecture...

BB

by **alex** » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:45:05

> On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:18:05 -0500, Glen Pittman

<snip>
> Yep, you could give Linux a try. I use Linux Mandrake 8.1 for
> near most of my daily work such as email, program development,

What do you use for program development? I have to admit there is
one Microsoft product that I am missing on Linux and it is
developer studio.

Thanks in advance,
Alex.

by **Uncle Feste** » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:52:00

> > On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:18:05 -0500, Glen Pittman

> <snip>
> > Yep, you could give Linux a try. I use Linux Mandrake 8.1 for
> > near most of my daily work such as email, program development,
> What do you use for program development? I have to admit there is
> one Microsoft product that I am missing on Linux and it is
> developer studio.

> Thanks in advance,
> Alex.

http://www.kdevelop.org/

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Fester

by **Joachim Trens** » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:34:35

a shame you didn't back this up with by giving a source or a link to that
statement from MS.

So far what MS said was that in ME, while you can install the vulnerable
service, you have to do so on purpose and knowingly. It is not installed or
enabled by default (as it is in XP) and as such, it is no danger to
unsuspecting normal users (which is the real problem with this issue in XP).

As for W2K - in the security bulletins MS01-59 and MS01-60 and the URL's
referred to by these bulletings, MS says that W2K is not affected because it
doesn't have the vulnerable service. Where did they now say that W2K is
affected?

Achim

by **Joachim Trens** » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:39:43

<g>

Achim

> If it was ME, it probably would have never even booted without
> blue-screening, so you're right. It wouldn't have had a chance to freeze.

> :)

> -Larry

> > Hi Rob,

> > maybe under ME it wouldn't have frozen at all ( I live in the south of
> Spain
> > BTW ;-)

> > Achim

> > > This reminds me of the heat issue I was having when I built my newest
> > > system - a P4 1.7Ghz.

> > > It was about 90 in my apartment, and I was playing NASCAR Racing 4
> online.
> > > In turn 2, the game locked up. Ctrl-Alt-Del, kill N4, check system
> temps,
> > > see its way hot, turn the A/C on, reload N4 and continue to play
without
> > > ever rebooting. Running WinXP. Try that with 95, 98 or ME.

> > > > Hi Jason,

> > > > I agree with everything you said except hat WinXP is more stable
than
> > > Win98
> > > > for ***. Just look at all the NGs what's going on there about
> WinXP.

> > > > I've always had a stable system with the older OSes. My current
> personal
> > > > choice is ME, and I haven't had a prob ever since I installed it. No
> > > > bluescreen, no nothing. Never. And I do a lot of
> installing/deinstalling
> > > and
> > > > experimenting with all sorts of applications and drivers.

> > > > Achim

by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:05:43

On Tue, 01 Jan 2002 01:45:05 GMT, alexti

> one Microsoft product that I am missing on Linux and it is
> developer studio.

> Thanks in advance,
> Alex.

Hi Alex,

for program development I use Xemacs (a fork of GNU/Emacs). It
has modes for all major languages that I program in (Java,
Perl, Python, C/C++,...) and most more obscure ones (heck, it
even has an SQL mode if you can believe it ;-)

I've tried some IDE's like Kdevelop, Forte, JBuilder, Visual
Age (all of which are available on Linux) and so on but I think
I am of the "old school" of using the right tools for the job,
and emacs is just too powerful an environment to give up.

Cheers,

Uwe

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by **Uncle Feste** » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:03:34

> I've tried some IDE's like Kdevelop, Forte, JBuilder, Visual
> Age (all of which are available on Linux) and so on but I think
> I am of the "old school" of using the right tools for the job,
> and emacs is just too powerful an environment to give up.

Guess I won't ask then if you've tried Kylix yet.
(http://www.borland.com/kylix) :-) Haven't gotten around to it myself
but was wondering how it was.

--

Fester

by **Bart Brow** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:33:49

> a shame you didn't back this up with by giving a source or a link to that
> statement from MS.

"'The more I look at the security problems in the Universal
Plug-and-Play (UPNP) feature of Windows, the more I think it is a big
mistake to characterized them as Windows XP problems. It is entirely
possible that there are more Windows ME (Millennium Edition) users who
are vulnerable to the security hole than XP users. The risk here is that
Windows ME users won't get the Microsoft patch because they assume the
problems are only for XP given most of the press coverage so far," said
Smith, proprietor of PC technology watchdog site ComputerBytesMan.com.
".... this bug is a Windows ME bug that got passed along to Windows XP.'

"To be sure, Microsoft said customers using Windows 98, Windows 98
Second Edition and Windows ME with UPnP should also use the patch."

Here's your link:

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article/0,,10_945371,00.html

by **Joachim Trens** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 04:27:26

Hi Bart,

thanks for the info. This is what I thought. W2K is not affected, and ME
only if you've installed the service on purpose. Or someone else has done it
for you <g>

Achim

> > a shame you didn't back this up with by giving a source or a link to
that
> > statement from MS.

> "'The more I look at the security problems in the Universal
> Plug-and-Play (UPNP) feature of Windows, the more I think it is a big
> mistake to characterized them as Windows XP problems. It is entirely
> possible that there are more Windows ME (Millennium Edition) users who
> are vulnerable to the security hole than XP users. The risk here is that
> Windows ME users won't get the Microsoft patch because they assume the
> problems are only for XP given most of the press coverage so far," said
> Smith, proprietor of PC technology watchdog site ComputerBytesMan.com.
> ".... this bug is a Windows ME bug that got passed along to Windows XP.'

> "To be sure, Microsoft said customers using Windows 98, Windows 98
> Second Edition and Windows ME with UPnP should also use the patch."

> Here's your link:

> http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article/0,,10_945371,00.html

by **Eldre** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 03:07:33

>Hi Bart,

>thanks for the info. This is what I thought. W2K is not affected, and ME
>only if you've installed the service on purpose. Or someone else has done it
>for you <g>

>Achim

Our students were using ME. I don't know if the students installed the
service, or if their computer manuf.(Dell, Gateway, etc) do it. One student
shut down every ME system in the dorm with his PNP attack... :(
Of course he denied having anything to do with it...

Eldred
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