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ATI users HELP NR2003

Morris Jone

ATI users HELP NR2003

by Morris Jone » Sat, 05 Apr 2003 10:37:53

I just got the 9800 Pro today that I had pre-ordered.
I know nothing about ATI products, always used Geforce
products.

What setting work best for NR2003, so far I am not impressed, my TI4600 was
running it better at 1200x960x32 with 4x AA. I never dropped below 30fps.
using the same settings with new card it starts at 27 and
just goes lower.

P4 2.53
1 gig of PC800
120gig HD
audigy 2
9800 PRO 3.2 drivers.

Aide

ATI users HELP NR2003

by Aide » Sat, 05 Apr 2003 12:50:39

It is the same problem that I had and many many others too.

You have a dirty installation.

You need to remove any traces whatsoever of Nvidia.#

Drivers,registry entries,hidden relative values,peek a boo fragments.

I eventually had to do a full reinstall of XP Pro which was a blessing in
disguise i must say as the pc was wonderful afterwards.

Now my 9700 Pro is flying.

Sorry but it is true :)

AD

Morris Jone

ATI users HELP NR2003

by Morris Jone » Sat, 05 Apr 2003 12:54:10

did you re-format the HD or just reinstall Windows XP.

Thanks,

Don Burnett

ATI users HELP NR2003

by Don Burnett » Sat, 05 Apr 2003 14:25:32


> I just got the 9800 Pro today that I had pre-ordered.
> I know nothing about ATI products, always used Geforce
> products.

> What setting work best for NR2003, so far I am not impressed, my
> TI4600 was running it better at 1200x960x32 with 4x AA. I never
> dropped below 30fps. using the same settings with new card it starts
> at 27 and
> just goes lower.

> P4 2.53
> 1 gig of PC800
> 120gig HD
> audigy 2
> 9800 PRO 3.2 drivers.

Hmm, my 9700 Pro gets about double or more your framerates on an Athlon
XP2400+.
When I changed from Nvidia, I did do however  a reformat and clean install
of everything.

Don Burnette

Tim Mise

ATI users HELP NR2003

by Tim Mise » Sat, 05 Apr 2003 16:36:56

Really depends on what options you have enabled but for the most part,
NR2003 is limited by your cpu.

-Tim


Joachim Trens

ATI users HELP NR2003

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 05 Apr 2003 17:21:15

Like Don, I'm also getting a minimum of ~ 50 - 60 fps with these settings
plus Aniso = 8x, with fps going above 120 on e.g. the converted GPL Road
Circuits, with my 9700 Pro.

When I made the switch from Nvidia, I first changed the graphics card in
System Manager/Device Manager to a plain default PCI VGA standard card. Then
I rebooted into safe mode, and deinstalled all Nvidia stuff from within the
System Manager's Software Installer/Deinstaller applet.

Then I checked the Registry for references to Nvidia and deleted those
pertaining to the graphics card (I couldn't delete all Nvidia as I'm using
an Nforce2 board). For all I could tell there was one or two references
left, I forget which. They didn't seem critical but I deleted them anyway. I
also made sure the Nvidia graphic card's inf file(s) was (were)deleted, I
forget whether I had to do that manually.

I also checked in the Registry whether my system really only listed one
graphics adapter, and that one was set to PCI VGA Default graphics card
before I rebooted into Normal Mode.

Then I rebooted into normal mode and let Windows detect the card without the
ATI drivers in. Once Windows was on the desktop, I installed the ATI
drivers.

I'd choose safe mode for the deinstall as in my experience - although I
cannot prove this with facts or arguments - sometimes Windows deinstalls
things in Safe Mode more thoroughly.

This procedure is of course much faster and less painless than a full
reinstall, it takes ~ 5 minutes, but of course, unfortunately you can only
do this perfectly if you are a bit familiar with the OS. If you aren't, a
reinstall may be the better option.

Achim


Joachim Trens

ATI users HELP NR2003

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 05 Apr 2003 17:24:13

I forgot to add, I have an Athlon XP2800 though.

Achim


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Karsten Borcher

ATI users HELP NR2003

by Karsten Borcher » Sun, 06 Apr 2003 05:39:04

Are you using OpenGL? ATi doesnt perform very good under OpenGL, so choose
D3D instead.

/ Borchers


Mar

ATI users HELP NR2003

by Mar » Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:52:29


> I just got the 9800 Pro today that I had pre-ordered.
> I know nothing about ATI products, always used Geforce
> products.

> What setting work best for NR2003, so far I am not impressed, my TI4600 was
> running it better at 1200x960x32 with 4x AA. I never dropped below 30fps.
> using the same settings with new card it starts at 27 and
> just goes lower.

N2002 findings, for what it's worth...

XP2400/9700Pro/D3D runs about 20% faster than XP1800/Ti4200/D3D
(about what you'd expect?)

BUT:
XP1800/Ti4200/OGL runs about 20% faster than XP1800/Ti4200/D3D
(You with me?)

SO:
XP2400/9700Pro/D3D runs about the same speed as XP1800/Ti4200/OGL
(which is very disappointing to say the least)

All settings equal, no AA, Aniso, etc.

Don't even bother trying OGL for the Radeon.

In conclusion, if I'd switched just the graphics card, I would have
had a performace drop - which is what you've got.  Sorry, matey.
Other apps (e.g 3DMark, UT2003) show the improvement you'd expect.
It's a Papy thing.

If it was all down to being a processor bottleneck it's nice that the
Ti4200 manages to free up the processor in OGL giving a drastic
performance boost whilst retaining the same level of image quality.
If either ATI could manage that trick or Papy tuned their OGL code
towards Radeon a bit (I presume it's slanted towards nVidia given my
results) I'd be a happier camper.

Regards,

Mark Davison
OVAL Deputy Admin
Car #69
http://www.mttj4.plus.com/OVAL/


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