rec.autos.simulators

   Do *not* run into car number 4.  :)

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

For that matter, how about an option to leave tires as they were
(temperature and wear). Of course, if you blow a tire, that's a
problem!

If these sound like details, take a look at the Quake2 server
options... there's at least 100 of them. Not to mention 30 different
mods to start with!

Or when you discover that you are 3 seconds a lap faster than anyone
else on the server, and feel it might be a good time to try a new
car... last night this happened twice. Instead I just waited for
everyone to catch up a few times... but it was still beat.

I now know, thanks to you guys, that this is presently possible-
thanks.

IOW, do a "GameSpy" sort of thing.

Thanks- I also now realize that the host is always #4. And as pointed
out, *don't* hit #4 ;) Nothing worse than hearing the host complain
after a bad start that he's going to start having password only
races...

running the last few laps with bad toe-in or press SHIFT-R and suffer
from the cold tires and fuel load.

I think I was one of these hosts.  If I wanted a full race, the open
server was the way to go.  However, after having 10 drivers and 2 finishers

after 2 PRO races (Monaco and Nurburgring) I decided it was better to
start with 5 PRC drivers and finish with 5 PRC drivers.  I thought the
difficulty
and selection of track would scare the rookies away, but it didn't work.

On a good note, I will be hosting PRC recruiting race(s) Thursday 10pm EST
on VROC in the Open2 room to try and minimize the number of rookies that
join.

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Jason Monds
"My other car is a Ferrari"
http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl - For my combined gas/brake setups
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I must admit, there have been races where I was so sure that I would
get knocked off at least once in the race by an over-eager lapped car
(you can judge those races in the practice!) that I considered the
light fuel load. I don't like that we can do that. But I also have
been in one too many races where the last 5 laps of a 27 lapper I've
had to do on a full tank because someone got sloppy- no fun. At least
for me.

Since I'm throwing future upgrade ideas lately, here's another option-
make a limit to how much fuel or mileage cars can go out on a given
race- force there to be at least on pit stop. Even in a 14 lap race,
that could be interesting.

Just a thought.

You don't need a password for the recruiting races.  That's why I hold them
in the Open rooms :-)   If you are interested in attending, just tell me that
you like to 'try out' (during practice) and make sure I have your email address.

I figure there are 3 kinds of drivers in GPL.  Those who are members of
PRC (Pro Racing Club) and those who are not members are the bad
drivers we are trying to keep out of our races :)  The other group are
rookies that need more practice to stay on the road, but would make
fine members one day.

To be a member you not have to be fast, just clean.  Latency is important
as well because we race mainly PRO races.  The recruiting race is a
chance for me to see you in action and check latency.

Once your accepted into the group you get our passwords :-)

That should cover it.

Jason.

ps..  if you did make a mistake in the wording of this post, then i
apologise for my outburst, but if what you said is in your opinion
true, then i stand by this post...

I meant, the Open VROC races are not fun with all the crashes at the
start.

Anyone who wants to enjoy GPL (without the crashing) has to join
a special league (or group).  The PRC is just a group of like minded
drivers -- we don't like people who try to come from last place on the
grid and crash everyone out.  We stress clean driving and passing.

As for the rookies.  I'm sure they don't want to crash people out, but
just haven't developed the skill to be consistant yet.

Ok not being a part of the PRC is fine.  But those people must be searching

for other 'leagues' I'm sure.

See.  You found open races to be horrible and had to search for a
group of clean drivers.  The GMSS does that for you.

I believe Micheal Carver is a member of the GMSS group and PRC,
and allows both racers into his Monday race.

I should have made that clearer.  PRC means you want to drive clean, but of

course that can be found in ANY other league or group.

I mostly post while at work and may not always get my ideas across
perfectly.  Like right now, I should be leaving -- its after 5pm and
I need to get home to support another client by phone at 6pm :-)

Would you be in the GMSS if you were a bad driver?  Probably not.

I hope I cleared this up.  It was a partial misunderstanding.

The PRC is a group of over 100 drivers who like to race clean.
That is all.  I'm sure you like to race clean, that would put you
in the 'PRC' group even though you are in the GMSS.  Wouldn't
the GMSS kick out drivers who were careless and crashed
people out every race?

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Jason Monds
"My other car is a Ferrari"
http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl - For my combined gas/brake setups
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I suppose i just get a bit dissapointed in the way that a lot of the
hosts on VROC are starting to password their races.   I understand why,
but i still think that is the wrong approach to introduce the new  sim
racers of the world to the fun of our on-line racing community.
One reason for that is that the new driver to GPL is not going to have
the confidence to apply for a password and join a race, knowing full
well he may botch it, and they will be totally put off racing on-line
if all they can join is a shift-r, go like hell and win at all costs,
type of a race.

A better way, IMO, would be to be able to have a kill list enabled from
within the hosts' computer in GPL to prevent the, "win at all costs",
mentality racer from entering a GPL race.    If a driver ends up on
that list, it is because he deserves to be there.
I just get a bit cheesed off at times i suppose, about all the holier
than thou attitude that abounds in the sim racing community, and i
would prefer to let the sim community sort it self out with who can be
trusted, and who can't, not make them join a special club or group just
to be able to have good clean races on-line.
I can understand the need for passwords in league races, but for the
rest, it does more harm than good to the racing community as a whole.  
It always tends to create divisions within groups, about who is good &
clean and who is, (in the host's opinion) a schmuck.
The idiots will soon learn to curb their eagerness at the line etc. or
they won't be welcomed for very long.
As you say, you can't win a race in the first lap, when everyone
realises that, things will start to improve.
I just hope the current trend to password races is a dying fad, because
the on-line sim racing community doesn't need those sort of politics to
be successfull...
If cable ever becomes available in Australia cheap enough, i will not
be passwording any races except for the points races for our league.
No hard feelings Jason, hopefully i will see you on-line in an open
event sometime, if i can still find one....    <G>
Cheers,
Ron

Well Jason I can assure you that I will not be a member of the PRC, due to
your preconcieved notion of that there are three kinds of drivers.  If you
want a demonstration of my driving why don't you arrange to come out and
drive my real race car.  I get really tired and bored with individuals who
make sweeping statments   like that.  I play this game for fun not to be
bothered by guys who cannot accept that some people have poor judgement in
the heat of the moment especailly when they do have to pay the consequences
a driver in a real race car would have too.

--
David Robinson

Egan's Law  

The Pace car will always go 2 MPH slower then your race car idles in first
gear.

I checked out the replay of the Monday Mexico race that Micheal Carver
held.  You were the Brahbam behind me in T1 :-), but slid to the inside
:-(.  As a client I only get to see 6 cars, that was all I noticed.  I made
a great pass on Alison in the closing laps -- great fun overall.  I like
the idea Micheal has.  Give the password to any 'clean' drivers: GMSS, PRC,
whatever.

Just gets frustrating when your the host and get knocked out of the only 2
races that you can host.  I think I'll mainly stick to INT on open VROC
races and PRO to passworded races.

This should change with the GPL 1.1 patch.  I think they are putting in a
automatic server mode.  We should see a lot more races available 24hrs a
day.

And those players will not be allowed back into your races unless your
remove them from the list?  Sounds good to me :-)

Nope.

If you don't see me in open events, I'll see you in Micheal's Monday races
:-)

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Jason Monds
theCLAPPER  in Kali
"My other car is a Ferrari"
http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/ - My combined gas/brake setups
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I'd just like to say that after lurking here for a month or two before
trying VROC I was most surprised at the standard of driving I
encountered. The only serious start line crash I've been involved in was
a 15 strong grid at the Glen and that seemed to be because half the grid
were merely trying to keep position and one little touch set off a major
incident.
I've yet to see someone from the back try to make a stupid move into the
first corner, if accidents have happened then apologies have been quick
to follow. Indeed, I'm starting to feel I'm overcautious and too
gentlemanly as I've been rammed from behind surprising people because of
my cautious nature into turn 1. I think the number of startline
incidents is a fair reflection of the number that happen in real life
current F1 (although I've no idea what it was like in 67). I have no
problem with open VROC racing and can see no need to join the PRC, for
the sake the future of VROC I hope people agree with me.
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Mike Buckley    
Cotswold Pig Development Co Ltd
Tel: 44 (0)1472 371591  Fax: 44 (0)1472 371208

WWW:    www.toastyhamster.freeserve.co.uk

Now your talking!   I would like to race one day, but the expenses get in the
way ;)  I'll have to wait until I retire -- I work enough to retire at 40 ;)
At least I'll have the house paid for.  That will make way for many
opportunities :-)

No comment.

I do too.  When I only host 6-8 races a week I want to race, not sit around
watching.  I never restart the race due to an accident.  If I'm out on the
start, I don't reset the server.  I just prefer if my opponents wait for me to
crash myself out ;-)

I put the word [not] in there -- I believe thats what you meant to say.

Racing incidents do occur in the PRC (just not as often as open races).  It's
just that members of the PRC have proven themselves to be clean-minded
drivers.  What more can we ask for?  Everyone has their bad days and incidents.

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Jason Monds
"My other car is a Ferrari"
http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl - For my combined gas/brake setups
(Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

I am also hugely disappointed in on-line open play in general. I made it to
44th spot on Case's Ladder in Jedi Knight (quite some time ago), but was
amazed at the... er... "attitude" of many of the on-line players.

I'd rather not waste my time wading through that sort of thing again if I
can help it.

I am almost ready to move to the Ferrari, but am still getting "stick-time"
with the Cooper. Anybody got some good suggestions? Bear in mind that the
peurile ones will be ignored.

Mike