| spoke:
| Damn, I should have kept that Geforce2! It was that friggin' Papadoc
| conning us all into buying the V5 saying how much better it is. :-)
| --
| Jagg
Well, I like my V5's FSAA big time, and I like being able to run my
older glide games. But, I will probably get an NV20 when they come
out. Should be soon I hope.
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Jagg
>>Jagg, I just love my Asus GF2-GTS Pro! Also it works with all my sims
>>and games! Ya` gotta` love it!:o)...Sorry I couldn't resist guyz!!
>>Thom_j.
>Well, I like my V5's FSAA big time, and I like being able to run my
>older glide games. But, I will probably get an NV20 when they come
>out. Should be soon I hope.
Andre
Andrew McP
You've heard wrong, or you listen to the wrong people The difference between
running N4 with T&L HAL and without it is about double the frame rate.
At first I didn't enable the T&L HAL i N4 and was wondering why my fps was
on par with my ol' V3 2000. Then I realised my mistake, enabled T&L HAL and
the frame rate doubled.
That's how weak it is ...
Hena
-Kankkis-
> > For revvedd. The T&L is weak because I don't see anyone saying how
> > much better it makes their games. In fact, I have heard it makes not
> > much dif at all. That's weak.
> You've heard wrong, or you listen to the wrong people The difference
between
> running N4 with T&L HAL and without it is about double the frame rate.
> At first I didn't enable the T&L HAL i N4 and was wondering why my fps was
> on par with my ol' V3 2000. Then I realised my mistake, enabled T&L HAL
and
> the frame rate doubled.
> That's how weak it is ...
> Hena
> For revvedd. The T&L is weak because I don't see anyone saying how
> much better it makes their games. In fact, I have heard it makes not
> much dif at all. That's weak.
> --
> Jagg
Boy, that c.s.i.p.g.f-s. discussion sure introduced some dogmas that are
hard to shake off ;).
-Gregor
Well, I've been playing flight sims that had T&L capability long
before N4 was out and no one has said it makes a big dif in those
games. (CFS2, EECH, BoB).
I'll still wait for NV20 before giving up my V5.
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Jagg
Yea, some hard numbers would be good to see.
3DFDX, 3DFX, 3DFX.... I've owned both 3DFX cards and Nvidia. (Riva128
and Geforce2).
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Jagg
> >You've heard wrong, or you listen to the wrong people The difference
between
> >running N4 with T&L HAL and without it is about double the frame rate.
> Well, I've been playing flight sims that had T&L capability long
> before N4 was out and no one has said it makes a big dif in those
> games. (CFS2, EECH, BoB).
Jerry Morelock
Yea, I would have to admit that is pretty impressive. But, I went from
a Geforce2 to a V5 so I will wait for the NV20 now.
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Jagg
> >But it makes a big difference in N4. With a GF256, the settings I use
give
> >about 25-30fps in "regular" D3D and about 45-50fps in T&L D3D, which is
> >pretty close to what I get in OGL after installing those 7.52drivers. I
> >would expect bigger increases from the GF2's.
> >Jerry Morelock
> Yea, I would have to admit that is pretty impressive. But, I went from
> a Geforce2 to a V5 so I will wait for the NV20 now.
> --
> Jagg
Jerry Morelock
I won't pay that much either. Maybe buy a Geforce2 when the NV20 is
released. At least it should cause the price to drop on the Geforce2
when it is released. But, then again, maybe not.
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Jagg
here are my results.
Specs:
PIII 450 clocked at 518
128MB RAM
Hercules 3D Prophet MX II, clock speed 185MHz, memory speed 190MHz
SB PCI64v
The test was done at 1024x768x32 resolution, with all options at
maximum. I turned off the steering wheel as at speeds close to 0 there
is some erratic FF behaviour which wiggles the wheel only slightly, but
the FPS doesn't stabilize for it. I used the internal framerate counter
of the N4 demo. The only number I used was the framerate in the pitlane
at the start of the testing session at Dover, without any input, and
waiting about 10 secs so the FPS stabilized.
Here are the results:
Direct3D - 23 FPS
Direct3D (T&L) - 36 FPS
OpenGL - 36 FPS
All results are obtained with the accuracy +-1FPS, as there are still
some oscillations in the counter going on, but no higher than 1 after it
stabilizes.
-Gregor
>> That might be true in flight sims as almost none use it to great effect,
>> but the difference in N4 demo on a lowly (?) PIII 450 is large when
>> going from V3 3000 to GeForce MX II; that cannot be just the fillrate
>> difference. In fact, I'll try to turn T&L off in the demo to see how muc
>> the diff actually is.
> Yea, some hard numbers would be good to see.
>> Boy, that c.s.i.p.g.f-s. discussion sure introduced some dogmas that are
>> hard to shake off ;).
> 3DFDX, 3DFX, 3DFX.... I've owned both 3DFX cards and Nvidia. (Riva128
> and Geforce2).
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> Jagg
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