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Stephen

you know, the bit of the world with *culture*.

Z.

Please remove my_pants when replying.

Jens

BTW: They should bring out GP3 for the public rather then using it for
promotions.

Visit my webpage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ for some serious stuff concerning:
Radio controlled airplanes
Racing simulation, esp. GPL
Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor

cut your sig?  ;-)

Jens

Visit my webpage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ for some serious stuff concerning:
Radio controlled airplanes
Racing simulation, esp. GPL
Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor

Jens

Visit my webpage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ for some serious stuff concerning:
Radio controlled airplanes
Racing simulation, esp. GPL
Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor

Also, crime in America has been steadily declining for the past 20 years,
and the crime rate is at it's lowest level in 30 years.

Don't believe the hype.

David G Fisher

Fisher's claim that "crime" has been "steadily declining" over the last two
decades is a bit troubling, given that (a) violent crime rates hardly show
that to be true [see TABLE A. below] (except in the minsicule way of
comparing them to pop. increase), and while (b)  serious violent crime by
the youth of the ages from 12-17 seems to remain on the whole hovering
somewhere under 1,000,000 yearly [TABLE B], that too hardly represents a
major decline, but rather a series of spikes and declinations.  Property
crime ( http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/proptrd.txt ), however, does
seem to be on a real decline, from a victimization rate of 496.1 per 1000
households in 1980, to  217.4  per 1000 in 1998.  All information is from
the U.S. Dept. of Justice ( http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov ), a decent source,
though not irrefutable, I suppose.

I do apologize for imposing this, again, completely off-topic response, but
I hate to see complacencies and sound-bites being tossed off as the truth,
and Fisher's response to Bruce K. was an example of just that.  I offer
this, not as a replacement "truth" but as a counter to Fisher's misguided,
simplified (and much bandied-about in the wider population) claim of a
"trend."

David K.

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TABLE A.
Bureau of Justice Statistics
Four measures of serious violent crime

            Serious Violent Crimes (including homicide)

         Total             Victimizations     Crimes
         violent           reported           recorded by
Year     crime             to the police      the police       Arrests

1973       3,590,500       1,861,000           715,900          392,700
1974       3,800,000       2,030,000           791,000          462,900
1975       3,594,700       1,976,100           844,100          441,100
1976       3,613,300       2,039,600           822,800          414,600
1977       3,662,500       1,966,800           845,700          438,500
1978       3,626,100       1,879,800           894,100          469,900
1979       3,834,800       2,020,500           998,700          467,700
1980       3,794,400       2,037,500         1,108,300          482,900
1981       4,101,700       2,217,900         1,125,000          496,600
1982       3,926,200       2,232,700         1,108,300          547,400
1983       3,455,500       1,877,400         1,064,900          516,600
1984       3,683,300       2,003,500         1,081,800          501,600
1985       3,358,400       1,926,500         1,126,700          506,800
1986       3,284,700       1,900,200         1,268,800          565,000
1987       3,424,900       1,987,800         1,265,300          568,100
1988       3,563,000       1,942,000         1,336,700          600,000
1989       3,533,700       1,847,800         1,405,000          666,100
1990       3,500,600       1,949,200         1,556,800          722,400
1991       3,712,000       2,133,000         1,632,700          738,200
1992       3,987,000       2,161,000         1,657,300          722,700
1993       4,191,000       2,218,500         1,648,100          716,100
1994       4,116,000       2,110,800         1,605,600          778,800
1995       3,493,500       1,848,600         1,549,900          796,200
1996       3,260,000       1,740,400         1,444,600          729,900
1997    3,039,000    1,741,800      1,405,200         717,800
1998    2,776,800    1,587,900      1,319,800         675,900

Note:The serious violent crimes included are rape, robbery, aggravated
assault,
     and homicide.  Because of changes made to the victimization  survey,
data
     prior to 1992 are adjusted to make them comparable to data collected
under
     the redesigned methodology.  Estimates for 1993 to 1998 are based
     on collection year while earlier estimates are based on data year.

The measures of violent crime come from two sources of data:
  1)  The National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) a household survey
      ongoing since 1972 that interviews about 80,000 persons age 12 and
older
      in 43,000 households twice each year about their victimizations from
crime.
  2)  The Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) that collects information on crimes
and arrests
      reported by law enforcement authorities to the FBI.

Definitions:
     Total violent crime:
     The number of homicides recorded by police plus the number of rapes,
     robberies, and aggravated assaults from the victimization survey
     whether or not they were reported to the police. From the NCVS +
homicide
     from the UCR.

     Victimizations reported to the police:
     The number of homicides recorded by police plus the number of rapes,
     robberies, and aggravated assaults from the victimization survey
     that victims said were reported to the police.   From the NCVS +
homicide
     from the UCR.

     Crimes recorded by the police
     The number of homicides, forcible rapes, robberies, and aggravated
assaults
     included in the Uniform Crime Reports of the FBI excluding commercial
robbery and those
     that involved victims under age 12.  From the UCR.

    Arrests for violent crimes:
     The number of persons arrested for homicide, forcible rape, robbery or
     aggravated assault as reported by law enforcement agencies to the FBI.
     From the UCR.

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TABLE B

Bureau of Justice Statistics
National Criminal Victimization Survey

Victim's perception of the age of the offender
 in serious  violent crime, 1973-97
 (rape, robbery, aggravated assault, homicide)

             Number of offenders
             12-17        18+       Unknown

    1973     921,000   2,342,000    296,000
    1974     879,000   2,580,000    309,000
    1975     792,000   2,442,000    336,000
    1976     860,000   2,455,000    284,000
    1977     837,000   2,531,000    271,000
    1978     832,000   2,539,000    228,000
    1979     844,000   2,767,000    206,000
    1980     812,000   2,614,000    365,000
    1981     917,000   2,947,000    224,000
    1982     747,000   2,929,000    239,000
    1983     746,000   2,391,000    300,000
    1984     739,000   2,671,000    329,000
    1985     652,000   2,438,000    256,000
    1986     618,000   2,358,000    286,000
    1987     657,000   2,354,000    393,000
    1988     703,000   2,507,000    324,000
    1989     680,000   2,457,000    369,000
    1990     785,000   2,399,000    297,000
    1991     811,000   2,398,000    481,000
    1992     925,000   2,726,000    294,000
    1993   1,108,000   2,733,000    329,000
    1994   1,031,000   2,636,000    406,000
    1995     812,000   2,240,000    205,000
    1996     805,000   2,148,000    276,000
    1997     706,000   2,027,000    261,000

Note: Because of changes made to the victimization
survey, data prior to 1992 are adjusted to make them
comparable to data collected under the redesigned
methodology.
Age 12-17 includes victimizations in which the victim
perceived that at least one offender was age 12-17.

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Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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What you really offer is yet another counter to any post of mine here at
r.a.s. I always can count on David Karr to disagree with me. New hobby?

My statement about crime is based on the FBI crime statistics.

Watch the news, read the papers, etc., and you might know a little about
these statistics and how they are regarded as the leading indicator of the
level of crime in the U.S.

David G Fisher

I honestly do not like seeing such vague generalizations as "crime has been
steadily declining . . ." tossed around.  As an empiricist, I find that kind
of thing a drag.  As a progressive, I find it dismaying.  Your
interpretation of my motives is your own problem.

--DK

It MAY be at its lowest,  but by far,  way too high for most of us to
even begin to understand.
Get rid of all those guns,  then you'll maybe start to lower your kill
rate.

Cheers.....Ken

A person is twice as likely to be burgarlized in London than in New York.
Crime is not nearly the issue as the media makes it out to be.

What IS nuts in America is the  gun situation. I agree with you 100% and can
only hope they disappear someday.

David G Fisher

I'm gonna have to move to melbourne I think... the things the sim
racers down there get... hey i'll list em

1. Australian Hyperstim champs with $10,000 prizemoney... sorry
queensland computers are not good enough... U don't get to play...
great! :(((

2. Vail (a kewl dude), wins the champ and gets to go to a race
school... aghhhh... that should be me :(((

3. Sim racers in melbourne get to go drive Gp3...

4. James gets to show Mark Webber gpl...

I think i'm gonna go insane if this happens again!!!

I use to be the fastest aussie gpl driver, beating vail in the last
gpl australia championships (online comp not run by hyperstim). I
place 3rd in the world in the gpl champs series.... yet, these guys
are the ones getting the fruits....aghhhh

Ian

/\ a (for a while now retired) gpl driver /\

On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:53:54 +1100, "Jon Crooke"

Now where are those tissues !!!!!!!!!
:))

* Joe_Blow *