rec.autos.simulators

by **Larr** » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:17:03

I think the real story here is just how much control the PUBLISHER has over
the creative works of SOFTWARE DEVLOLPERS.

It's truly sad what these publishers do to the developers and their
fans/customers. They remind me of Loan Sharks.

-Larry

> Andre,

> For the 10 millionth time, VideoSystems was the publisher for F1RC. They
> decided whether a patch was put out or not. Not Ubi Soft. Just like Sierra
> decides what happens to Papyrus.

> VideoSystems is no longer involved with RS3.

> Time to move on.

> If I couldn't move on, then I wouldn't buy N2003 since those pussies at
> Papyrus never bothered to respond to even one of my polite attempts to get
> help for my freezes which ruined 8 out of every 10 of my races, and also
> cost me about $500 in futile attempts at replacing perfectly good hardware
> searching for an answer.

> David G Fisher

> > On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:56:08 -0500, "David G Fisher"

> > >Yes, there's always an excuse, as that google thread I posted earlier
> > >showed.

> > >David G Fisher

> > For some things there are no excuses:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/+patch+group:rec.autos.simulato...
or:fisher&hl=nl&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=qK_V6.14383%24Zt6.6673559%40news1

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by **Jason Moy** » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:35:42

On Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:52:36 +0100, Andre Warringa

>For some things there are no excuses:

>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=f1rc+patch+group:rec.autos.simulato...

Ouch. =)

Jason

by **ymenar** » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:19:32

> For some things there are no excuses:

Eh we all live with a dark past that won't ever be erased do we? ;-D

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by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:55:46

Yes, we do.

Remember the mother of all debates here at r.a.s.? It took me a half an hour
to realize cars in GPL did not handle realistically.

It wasn't until Kaemmer finally said the same thing that many of you were
forced to admit the same thing a few years later. Imagine if I went back and
posted the 10 trillion posts by you experts which insisted I was wrong
(among other not so pleasant things), and the cars handled perfectly.

"Ouch".

David G Fisher

> > For some things there are no excuses:

> Eh we all live with a dark past that won't ever be erased do we? ;-D

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:09:14

Lol, I had the same thing happen to me Dave re GPL :)

John

> Yes, we do.

> Remember the mother of all debates here at r.a.s.? It took me a half an
hour
> to realize cars in GPL did not handle realistically.

> It wasn't until Kaemmer finally said the same thing that many of you were
> forced to admit the same thing a few years later. Imagine if I went back
and
> posted the 10 trillion posts by you experts which insisted I was wrong
> (among other not so pleasant things), and the cars handled perfectly.

> "Ouch".

> David G Fisher

> > > For some things there are no excuses:

> > Eh we all live with a dark past that won't ever be erased do we? ;-D

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Jason Moy** » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:48:28

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:55:46 -0500, "David G Fisher"

>Remember the mother of all debates here at r.a.s.? It took me a half an hour
>to realize cars in GPL did not handle realistically.

There isn't a sim with cars that handle realistically. There are
degrees of realism and immersion, however, and GPL is still in the top
3 driving simulations of all time in that regards.

There was a great post by Arnao on the Simbin forums recently where he
scoffed at how people are constantly comparing sims based how close to
reality they are, rather than how convincing they are. At this point
in time, there are no sims comparable to GPL/N2002/F12002/GTR2002 in
terms of emulating the sensations that a real driver experiences while
pushing a car to the limit and beyond, and most experienced real-life
racers who also spend time with sims seem to have a formed a concensus
in that regard.

Jason

by **ymenar** » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:01:56

> Remember the mother of all debates here at r.a.s.? It took me a half an
hour
> to realize cars in GPL did not handle realistically.

No simulation will ever handle cars realistically.

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
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by **Iain Mackenzi** » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:06:31

Maybe true, but surely the point is to get as close to realism as can be
achieved given the obvious restrictions of the artificial environment of a
PC.

> > Remember the mother of all debates here at r.a.s.? It took me a half an
> hour
> > to realize cars in GPL did not handle realistically.

> No simulation will ever handle cars realistically.

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by **Gerry Aitke** » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:13:37

> Yes, we do.

> Remember the mother of all debates here at r.a.s.? It took me a half an hour
> to realize cars in GPL did not handle realistically.

> It wasn't until Kaemmer finally said the same thing that many of you were
> forced to admit the same thing a few years later. Imagine if I went back and
> posted the 10 trillion posts by you experts which insisted I was wrong
> (among other not so pleasant things), and the cars handled perfectly.

Are you referring to the time Kaemmer said the tyre model in N2002 was
far superior to GPL's?

by **Gerry Aitke** » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:30:11

> Maybe true, but surely the point is to get as close to realism as can be
> achieved given the obvious restrictions of the artificial environment of a
> PC.

What, you mean like GP4? ;)

Gerry

"As real as it gets!" GC

"GP4 is ******* crap!" GA

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:59:40

Still didn't take my advice about getting treatment then Gerr?

You're obsessed my boy, you really ought to try to get GP4 out of your
mind - most others have some time ago!

> > Maybe true, but surely the point is to get as close to realism as can be
> > achieved given the obvious restrictions of the artificial environment of
a
> > PC.

> What, you mean like GP4? ;)

> Gerry

> "As real as it gets!" GC

> "GP4 is ******* crap!" GA

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by **Mar** » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:56:47

Right, Dave.

You're a genius.

We were all blind. We weren't *actually* having a good time while
playing GPL, we only *thought* we were having a good time.

Mark
Reading, UK

by **Gerry Aitke** » Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:38:27

> Still didn't take my advice about getting treatment then Gerr?

> You're obsessed my boy, you really ought to try to get GP4 out of your
> mind - most others have some time ago!

GP4 = unistalled & forgotten. :)

by **Gerry Aitke** » Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:43:28

> > Yes, we do.

> > Remember the mother of all debates here at r.a.s.? It took me a half an hour
> > to realize cars in GPL did not handle realistically.

> > It wasn't until Kaemmer finally said the same thing that many of you were
> > forced to admit the same thing a few years later. Imagine if I went back and
> > posted the 10 trillion posts by you experts which insisted I was wrong
> > (among other not so pleasant things), and the cars handled perfectly.

> > "Ouch".

> > David G Fisher

> Right, Dave.

> You're a genius.

> We were all blind. We weren't *actually* having a good time while
> playing GPL, we only *thought* we were having a good time.

> Mark
> Reading, UK

Mark -- it was the same with CPR! We were all suffering from mass
delusion, according to Dave, CPR was actually the best racing sim ever.

Gerry

"Unfortunately, most people I see think that just because they exist,
their opinions should be heard." -- David G Fisher

by **Jason Moy** » Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:54:05

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:43:28 +0000, Gerry Aitken

>Mark -- it was the same with CPR! We were all suffering from mass
>delusion, according to Dave, CPR was actually the best racing sim ever.

It took me all of half an hour to realize that CPR was the most
convincing racing sim ever!

Jason

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