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OT how much RAM is too much

leon

OT how much RAM is too much

by leon » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:44:45

Hi

seeing as the price is so low nowadays
I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb
perhaps all the way to 448MB

is there a way to measure how much ram is
being used in each game ?

Darren Dunca

OT how much RAM is too much

by Darren Dunca » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:33:41

I have 256 Mb now and have run all the way up to 512 Mb. I noticed no
difference in Win 98, Me or 2000 with either amount so I used the extra 256
megs to help out my machine at work. :-) 128 Mb --> 256 Mb makes a
difference these days as does the speed rating of your RAM. Are we talking
about PC100 or PC133 RAM sticks here?

A good utility to check your RAM status is RAMPage found at:

http://www.jfitz.com/software/RAMpage/index.htm

However, as it uses CPU cycles I wouldn't recommend keeping it running in
the background while playing games if you want to optimize CPU usage.

Darren
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: Hi
:
: seeing as the price is so low nowadays
: I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb
: perhaps all the way to 448MB
:
: is there a way to measure how much ram is
: being used in each game ?
:
:

Power Post 20

OT how much RAM is too much

by Power Post 20 » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:39:12

I think I read somewhere that too much RAM would actually make Windows
run slower. Don't know how true it is.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:44:45 +0800, "leong"


>Hi

>seeing as the price is so low nowadays
>I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb
>perhaps all the way to 448MB

>is there a way to measure how much ram is
>being used in each game ?

Dave Henri

OT how much RAM is too much

by Dave Henri » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:00:57

  I recently read some magazine benchmarks, it may have been MaximumPC,
and they concluded that windows9x will gain some performance up to 196.
After that the improvement curve really flattens out.
  I think you should be considering 128 to be a minimum, and if you run any
background programs like Game Commander or a voice program, then you'll
definatelly need more than 128(although my current box with 128 has never
locked up even with 3 programs running behind my racing sims)
  Some of the newer sims like N4 "may" gain from increased ram but not much.
and...there are persistant stories from tech guys who come back from
official
MS service workshops who state Windows9x was never designed to handle 256k.
It 'will' run with that amount and even more, but your os won't benefit.
  If you are already at 196 then the gains would be slight at best.  UNLESS
you have old basic ram  The brand new DDR ram is supposed to be 10 to 20%
faster than curretn SDRam, but you will need a whole new motherboard to gain
that advantage.
  Once you have your basic needs met, and 196 megs 'should' do that, here's
my path for upgrades
a) CPU  always always always get the most CPU you can afford.  Fancy Vid
cards, trick memory, they will not help you if your CPU is drowning.
b) VideoCard
c) RAM
d) hard drive increase(ata100 is readily available)
e) Soundcard improvements
dave henrie


> I have 256 Mb now and have run all the way up to 512 Mb. I noticed no
> difference in Win 98, Me or 2000 with either amount so I used the extra
256
> megs to help out my machine at work. :-) 128 Mb --> 256 Mb makes a
> difference these days as does the speed rating of your RAM. Are we talking
> about PC100 or PC133 RAM sticks here?

> A good utility to check your RAM status is RAMPage found at:

> http://www.jfitz.com/software/RAMpage/index.htm

> However, as it uses CPU cycles I wouldn't recommend keeping it running in
> the background while playing games if you want to optimize CPU usage.

> Darren
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> TopGear Offline GP3 League
> http://topgear.dhs.org/cgi-bin/main/
> In line with the F1 Calendar
> ---------------------------------------------------------



> : Hi
> :
> : seeing as the price is so low nowadays
> : I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb
> : perhaps all the way to 448MB
> :
> : is there a way to measure how much ram is
> : being used in each game ?
> :
> :

Dave Henri

OT how much RAM is too much

by Dave Henri » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:20:06



   That was true with older VX boards that came out near the beginnings of
the
pentium days.  anything over 64 megs would bring the system to a crawl.
Most motherboard and chipsets these days easily handle at least up to 512
but
there is some debate on how much improvement you will see after a certain
level.(my above post put that around 196)
dave henrie

daxe

OT how much RAM is too much

by daxe » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:22:06

On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:44:45 +0800, "leong"


>Hi

>seeing as the price is so low nowadays
>I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb
>perhaps all the way to 448MB

I have 512meg in a P3/1000/133fsb and it works great.  I doubt I am
using all of that ram in games, but I do a lot of graphic processing
and I know it help out there.

There are some tweaks to windows which will cause it to use the
available ram more readily than a swap file, too, like this:

http://members.aol.com/axcel216/98-4.htm#COSW

~daxe

Barton Brow

OT how much RAM is too much

by Barton Brow » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:11:37

No amount of RAM is too much. I'd bet that within a very few years, a
Gig of RAM will be the norm...
Jeff Jone

OT how much RAM is too much

by Jeff Jone » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:16:36

There is a trick you can do in Win98 to utilize ram above 256 MB. Let's say
you have 512 MB. You can create a ramdrive out of the add'l 256, and point
the windows swap file to that ram drive.

For the most part,Win9x is too stupid to use ram over 256, but you can force
it to, using the method above.

Jeff Jone

OT how much RAM is too much

by Jeff Jone » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:18:20


True, but in a few years the OS, motherboards, and ram specs will have
changed, so I'm not sure buying a gig of ram now is the thing to do :)

Jagg

OT how much RAM is too much

by Jagg » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:39:15



But 256mb is not a big enough swap file for some games. B17-2 for
example requires at least a 400mb swap file.

Thom j

OT how much RAM is too much

by Thom j » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:47:59

You can never have too much RAM ;-).. All though I have many graphic
editing programs and music editing programs that just love eating up ram!
Thom_j.


| Hi
|
| seeing as the price is so low nowadays
| I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb
| perhaps all the way to 448MB
|
| is there a way to measure how much ram is
| being used in each game ?
|
|

Alex Camero

OT how much RAM is too much

by Alex Camero » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:39:25

I've herd that GPL won't work with more than 512mb so 512+ is too much ;)

Alex

Dave Henri

OT how much RAM is too much

by Dave Henri » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:48:31

  I'm not sure about GPL but Longbow 2 had that problem.  either you had to
have lots of background apps running or create a separate ram disk.  And
LB2's memory limit was ...I think...256k.
dave henrie

> I've herd that GPL won't work with more than 512mb so 512+ is too much ;)

> Alex


> > No amount of RAM is too much. I'd bet that within a very few years, a
> > Gig of RAM will be the norm...

Jagg

OT how much RAM is too much

by Jagg » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:49:13



256K?! More like 366mb. :-)
There is a utility you can get that will limit the amount of ram seen
by Windows to fix that problem. You can get one for Dos called xm.com
to limit memory in dos to 32mb also. Dos version of USNF and Harpoon2
won't run in a dos session if you have more than 32mb of ram.

leon

OT how much RAM is too much

by leon » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:12:27

hi

I have PC133 but runs them at 100
( cant move the FSB to 133 yet )

any case, tried the rampage utility
but it does not store / record its data

so how do you know how is the ram usage during the game ??


> I have 256 Mb now and have run all the way up to 512 Mb. I noticed no
> difference in Win 98, Me or 2000 with either amount so I used the extra
256
> megs to help out my machine at work. :-) 128 Mb --> 256 Mb makes a
> difference these days as does the speed rating of your RAM. Are we talking
> about PC100 or PC133 RAM sticks here?

> A good utility to check your RAM status is RAMPage found at:

> http://www.jfitz.com/software/RAMpage/index.htm

> However, as it uses CPU cycles I wouldn't recommend keeping it running in
> the background while playing games if you want to optimize CPU usage.

> Darren
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> TopGear Offline GP3 League
> http://topgear.dhs.org/cgi-bin/main/
> In line with the F1 Calendar
> ---------------------------------------------------------



> : Hi
> :
> : seeing as the price is so low nowadays
> : I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb
> : perhaps all the way to 448MB
> :
> : is there a way to measure how much ram is
> : being used in each game ?
> :
> :


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