rec.autos.simulators

On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 14:52:52 GMT, "Simon Brown"

You sure about that? I was getting faster frame rates on my GF2 than
someone on their GF3 (exacts same cpu) in MS Train Sim.

I'm sure you realize that how your PC and someone elses PC runs one
particular game doesn't make a very watertight case :)  All it takes is a
few bios settings wrong and this guy with the GF3 could be costing himself
30% performance.  I'm not saying you're wrong, just that most of the
evidence i've seen suggests the GF3 is faster.

I'm basing that on the GF3 reviews (with benchmarks) i've seen, plus the
average 3DMark 2001 scores i've seen for the GF2 and GF3 (GF3 scores around
5000, GF2 around 3500).

  High-end Geeforce two memory is clocked at something like 250hz and the
memory of the Geeforce 3 is like 200hz...(Those #'s could be off but the
relationship is correct.)  Even with the right tweeks, if you run something
that does not address the geeforce 3's strengths, then the 2 will open up a
can of whup-ass on it.
  Go to ultra high resolutions and both cards will slow down, but the
slowdown will be much less painful on the 3.  (as  we say in France....6 of
1, half a dozen of another) {{of course I would need an English to French
speech digitizer to actually SAY that...since I try not to speak with
hairballs in the back of my throat...}}  :>
dave henrie

On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:13:46 GMT, "Simon Brown"

I'm not denying it is faster, but not in all cases. Just like a
Geforce2 Ultra only shows itself as being faster when you run at
really high res and/or 32bit. It's been said that the GF3 is not so
fast at running FS2K so I think there is more to it than just PC
optimization. The GF3 is not much faster than a GF2 unless the
graphics engine is optimized for it. That's been said many times in
reviews of the GF3.

Fair enough :)  From my own perspective, owning a GF2 Pro 64 MB, I wouldn't
consider getting a GF2 Ultra, but I would consider getting a GF3, for the
extra features and the 32-bit speed, and because I program a bit of D3D now
and then and the GF3 has the better DirectX8 support.

Ok, understood.  I still think overall, it's got the edge over a GF2 Ultra
because of the pixel shader support.  You basically have to rely on the
developers not to over-use these features to the point that the card is
brought to it's knees.

I guess it would also be the card of choice for the FSAA brigade and the
32-bit brigade, but I'm not a member of those clubs :)

On Thu, 09 Aug 2001 02:07:14 GMT, "Simon Brown"

Sure, I would buy one too if the price was a bit lower. It appeals to
me because it has FSAA and antiostropic filtering that doesn't kill
the frame rates. Plus a more powerful T&L unit.

Question: Not sure but isnt the GF3 in the hi$200s-lo$300s now?

| Sure, I would buy one too if the price was a bit lower. It appeals to
| me because it has FSAA and antiostropic filtering that doesn't kill
| the frame rates. Plus a more powerful T&L unit.
|
| >Fair enough :)  From my own perspective, owning a GF2 Pro 64 MB, I
wouldn't
| >consider getting a GF2 Ultra, but I would consider getting a GF3, for the
| >extra features and the 32-bit speed, and because I program a bit of D3D
now
| >and then and the GF3 has the better DirectX8 support.
|

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Maybe in the U.S., but acroos the 49th it is well over $600 CAD. If it
was $400.00 CAD I might buy. I paid $330.00 CAD for an Asus GF2
Deluxe.

Ouch! and I thought it stunk living in the Garbage State aka NJ..

| Maybe in the U.S., but acroos the 49th it is well over $600 CAD. If it
| was $400.00 CAD I might buy. I paid $330.00 CAD for an Asus GF2
| Deluxe.
|
| >Question: Not sure but isnt the GF3 in the hi$200s-lo$300s now?

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