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Given that new sims that are out/coming out...

Dale Chave

Given that new sims that are out/coming out...

by Dale Chave » Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Okay,

Assume a perfect world where the latest sims N3, Burnout, NHRA, TOCA all
have the major bugs worked out (including adding wheel/pedal
capabilities), AND you're in the market for a new video card.  That
would be me, and I'm sure more than a handful of other readers of this
newsgroup.

I want to make sure (within reason, of course) that whatever video card
I purchase will at least be compatible with whatever chipsets the
manufacturers have chosen for their sim.  Am I naive enough to think one
video card will run with all the sims?  Not hardly.

However, after all the reading I've done, I still have some questions:

- Must be an AGP
- What about nVidia-based graphics cards?
- Is it safe to assume there are only 2 or 3 major video card
maufacturers, and that the sim designers will design for those specs
only?
- 2D/3D Combo boards?
- 3D Accelerator board?

References:

AGP: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Another AGP Article: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
3D Graphic Card Reviews:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Thanks in advance!

Dale

Marc J. Nelso

Given that new sims that are out/coming out...

by Marc J. Nelso » Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Try here...

    http://www.tomshardware.com/


> Okay,

> Assume a perfect world...

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Christer Andersso

Given that new sims that are out/coming out...

by Christer Andersso » Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Since I'm a racing sim enthusiast (dont like the word fanatic) I would buy a
3Dfx add on card (e.g. Diamond Monster 3D II) and a 2D/3D Rendition card (e.g.
Hercules Thriller 3D), but that's just me. Nothing is a sure thing in upgrading
your computer, but with above cards, the odds is pretty good.

/Christer, will also go with the K6-2 in case the K6-3 is a killer :o)


> Okay,

> Assume a perfect world where the latest sims N3, Burnout, NHRA, TOCA all
> have the major bugs worked out (including adding wheel/pedal
> capabilities), AND you're in the market for a new video card.  That
> would be me, and I'm sure more than a handful of other readers of this
> newsgroup.

> I want to make sure (within reason, of course) that whatever video card
> I purchase will at least be compatible with whatever chipsets the
> manufacturers have chosen for their sim.  Am I naive enough to think one
> video card will run with all the sims?  Not hardly.

> However, after all the reading I've done, I still have some questions:

> - Must be an AGP
> - What about nVidia-based graphics cards?
> - Is it safe to assume there are only 2 or 3 major video card
> maufacturers, and that the sim designers will design for those specs
> only?
> - 2D/3D Combo boards?
> - 3D Accelerator board?

> References:

> AGP: http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/cshp/1802/268192.html
> Another AGP Article: http://www.gamespot.com/features/agp/
> 3D Graphic Card Reviews:
> http://www.gamespot.com/features/3dcards/index.html

> Thanks in advance!

> Dale

Arthur Axelra

Given that new sims that are out/coming out...

by Arthur Axelra » Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Most past and all future sims use the 3dfx voodoo2 chipset. Its the safest
bet. Rendition is your only other choice for sim racing (cuz GPL only uses
3dfx or rendition). But there are some sims that use glide only so I think
3dfx has the advantage over Rendition. The performace of the voodoo2 is
still the best. Though its pricey compared to other board. But the prices
are coming down fast, so if you have the $$$ you really should pick up one
of these 3d baords.

Arthur
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http://www.***sys.com/stealthracing.html


>Okay,

>Assume a perfect world where the latest sims N3, Burnout, NHRA, TOCA all
>have the major bugs worked out (including adding wheel/pedal
>capabilities), AND you're in the market for a new video card.  That
>would be me, and I'm sure more than a handful of other readers of this
>newsgroup.

>I want to make sure (within reason, of course) that whatever video card
>I purchase will at least be compatible with whatever chipsets the
>manufacturers have chosen for their sim.  Am I naive enough to think one
>video card will run with all the sims?  Not hardly.

>However, after all the reading I've done, I still have some questions:

>- Must be an AGP
>- What about nVidia-based graphics cards?
>- Is it safe to assume there are only 2 or 3 major video card
>maufacturers, and that the sim designers will design for those specs
>only?
>- 2D/3D Combo boards?
>- 3D Accelerator board?

>References:

>AGP: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>Another AGP Article: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>3D Graphic Card Reviews:
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>Thanks in advance!

>Dale

Morta

Given that new sims that are out/coming out...

by Morta » Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:00:00

On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:38:36 -0600, Dale Chavez


>I want to make sure (within reason, of course) that whatever video card
>I purchase will at least be compatible with whatever chipsets the
>manufacturers have chosen for their sim.  Am I naive enough to think one
>video card will run with all the sims?  Not hardly.

>However, after all the reading I've done, I still have some questions:

>- Must be an AGP
>- What about nVidia-based graphics cards?
>- Is it safe to assume there are only 2 or 3 major video card
>maufacturers, and that the sim designers will design for those specs
>only?
>- 2D/3D Combo boards?
>- 3D Accelerator board?

If you like the Papy sims I would go with a good Rendition board
(Hercules Thriller) for 2d and the Papy sims (Rendition blows the
doors off of 3Dfx for N2 and GPL), and a Voodoo accelerator (Voodoo 2
if using a P2 or planning on upgrading in the near future) for a
secondary board since Glide is such a popular API. Both if these
boards will give you great Direct3d support. I don't really see an
advantage to AGP cards myself at this point in time unless you don't
have the PCI slot to spare. Maybe when games are developed to take
advantage of the faster bus (are they already? Do they need to be?) an
AGP card will be a bigger improvement. The nVidia cards are pretty
darn good (can't comment on the TNT yet) but if the game doesn't use
Direct3D you're hosed as far as 3D goes.
Cheers,
Chris

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Ken Bear

Given that new sims that are out/coming out...

by Ken Bear » Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:00:00

My recommendation is to get a 3dfx Voodoo 1 or Voodoo 2 - Voodoo 2 if you're
running or will in the next year run a Pentium II or K6-2 system.

Not an issue if you get a Voodoo 1/2 - Voodoo 2's are still faster than AGP
cards using the PCI bus.

I have one (Riva 128 4 meg) as my 2D Windows card.  Pretty good in that
regard.  On the games I've messed with on it before transferring my Voodoo 2
into my new machine it wasn't as fast or as good visually as the Voodoo 2
was, but not bad for a combo card.

If you get a Rendition, 3dfx, nVidia or newer Matrox boards you should be
pretty well set on Direct 3D titles.  Some however go directly to the
chipset of the card which yields considerably better performance and usually
looks, but the only boards you'll see that have their own interface for this
are Rendition-based or 3dfx-based.  These are your best bets, usually the
best performers in Direct 3D and even better when running a game "natively"

Rendition is good here, although not the fastest at 2D Windows stuff.  If
native support wasn't an issue, I'd probably go for a Matrox G200.

Generally this is your best bet.  Get a good 2D board, a Rendition is a good
companion due to it's native support of Indycar 2 and Nascar 2, and GPL, or
just get a really quick 2D board for Windows.  Add a Voodoo 1/2 and you will
just not find a game on the market that won't run on this, especially with
the Rendition / Voodoo 1/2 combo.  The Voodoo 1/2 is excellently supported,
has a lot of native support and runs Direct 3D stuff as well or better as
competing boards.

Ken

Jim Sokolof

Given that new sims that are out/coming out...

by Jim Sokolof » Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:00:00


> Assume a perfect world where the latest sims N3, Burnout, NHRA, TOCA
> all have the major bugs worked out (including adding wheel/pedal
> capabilities)

How is it that an auto *sim* would need wheel/pedal support ADDED?

---Jim

Ronald Stoe

Given that new sims that are out/coming out...

by Ronald Stoe » Sun, 23 Aug 1998 04:00:00



> > Assume a perfect world where the latest sims N3, Burnout, NHRA, TOCA
> > all have the major bugs worked out (including adding wheel/pedal
> > capabilities)

> How is it that an auto *sim* would need wheel/pedal support ADDED?

Uff, that's one of the most common complaints I have with a lot of
auto sims/games. Esp. as a joystick is REALLY well defined, and the
same in ANY PC. But still they***it up again and again...

Developers: Give me just 4 axis, 4 buttons, and let me use whatever I
want
for ANY function in the game. If you need help, look at ICR2/N2... ;^)

l8er
ronny

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