rec.autos.simulators

        One of the drivers stated that MT racing is very competitive and
believes that it is a true sport of it's own.  He also said that it's
unfortunate that the fans think it more of entertainment.  He also
mentioned something about looking in to a way to change that image.

        Be interesting to know more about how they are going to change that
image because they are in the **exact** same boat we are.  Sim racing is
looked at as more of an entertainment then any kind of a sport to take
seriously.
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Looks like Im not the only racing freak who watched TLC last night.  I liked
the whole "how to promote correctly an event" aspect of the show  8)

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Have you ever driven GPL ? Im racing GPL in an LAN-League ( 19 Drivers )
with 100% Grand-Prix lenght and realistic Damage.
Looking at the amount of training required to do well in this league i also
would say, GPL is an Sport :-)

But racing NFS3 is not an Sport :-)

Greetings,

Michael Staab
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" To race is to live, everything else is just waiting"

I imagine these are the accelerations measured on a hard landing, and
therefore of extremely short duration.  Monster truck racers have nothing
on F1 drivers or fighter jocks.  I can't imagine they launch with 10g.

As for changing their image from entertainment to sport, perhaps a move
away from trucks with skeletons modelled onto the front end.  Oh, and
ditch the guy in the snake mask...

Stephen

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"Don't take yourself too serious
since someone else just might
and then what are you going to do!"

I see what your saying, but no. It would not take as much to be the best at
NFS, as it would to be the best at GPL. For one thing, your forgeting months
of just learning to "drive" GPL, much less compete.
I've seen this with my friends at work, they can compete with me at NFS in a
matter of days, but they have never been able to compete with me at GPL (I
really suck at GPL also).

Anyone who really believes this needs to take some time away from the computer,
go out in the real world, and find out for themselves what constitutes 'sport'.

I enjoy flight and racing sims, as well as other computer activities, but I am
also involved in fly fishing and hunting. The difference between an activity
(computer sims) and a sport is the amoun of physical effort and endurance
requied to participate.

In other words, playing tennis is a sport, but playing tennis on a computer is
an activity. I also tie my own flies and shoot pistols regularly at a local
range. IMO, these are both activities, not sports. Both require considerable
skill, (like sims), but very little physical activity. (also like sims)

I know I'll get a lot of disagreement on this, but I would ask those who
***ly disagree, to try any kind of real sport so you can see the difference
for yourselves.

George Adams

"From the rockin' of the cradle to the rollin' of the hearse, the goin' up was
worth the comin' down."
___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/ Chapter 33"

:>Looking at the amount of training required to do well in this league i also
:>would say, GPL is an Sport :-)
:>

: Anyone who really believes this needs to take some time away from the computer,
: go out in the real world, and find out for themselves what constitutes 'sport'.

: I enjoy flight and racing sims, as well as other computer activities, but I am
: also involved in fly fishing and hunting. The difference between an activity
: (computer sims) and a sport is the amoun of physical effort and endurance
: requied to participate.

: In other words, playing tennis is a sport, but playing tennis on a computer is
: an activity. I also tie my own flies and shoot pistols regularly at a local
: range. IMO, these are both activities, not sports. Both require considerable
: skill, (like sims), but very little physical activity. (also like sims)

I agree with you 100%.  I always separated a "skill" from a "sport".  I
must admit I disagree with the IOC on several of their "sports", for
example pistol shooting.  As you have said, it is a very demanding
"skill" to acquire and perfect.  Now, throw that pistol or rifle on the
back of a cross-country skier and make them do 25km in some god-forsaken
corner of Finland, and you have a sport (or you're a ***).

I spend many hours perfecting my laps on GPL etc.  It's no sport.  I spend
many more hours perfecting my high-speed crashing technique on a mountain
bike in the summer and a snowboard in the winter.  Those are sports.  My
simple definition, the one that draws the line between the two, is the
simple matter of energy expenditure.  If I'm breathing hard, sweating, and
my pulse is over 140, then it's a sport.  Oh wait, that happens all the
time at the start of Spa.  But seriously, a little adrenaline induced
spike in pulse does not make it a sport.

Stephen

'sport'.

as an Mountainbiker, who in the past did marathon races and also competed in
the Downhill-World-Cup Race in Kaprun in 1993 / 1994, i know the world of
real world sports. And again, I train as much GPL now to be competive in our
league than i did train on the bike 5 Years ago. ( Now I'm riding my
mountainbike once a week and another bike every day for half an hour to
commute to work ).

So again, i think, looking at the skill required to be competive in GPL
 and that the skill belongs very much to how often and how long you drive
GPL ) I would say, GPL is some kind of Motorsport.

Greetings,

Michael Staab
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Mitglied in der CAR, Verein fr PC-Rennsimulationen http://www.car-ev.de/
Staabi's Mountain Bike Classics http://home.rhein-zeitung.de/~mstab/mtb/
" To race is to live, everything else is just waiting"

: as an Mountainbiker, who in the past did marathon races and also competed in
: the Downhill-World-Cup Race in Kaprun in 1993 / 1994, i know the world of
: real world sports. And again, I train as much GPL now to be competive in our

And you were competing in a sport then, whereas with GPL...

: So again, i think, looking at the skill required to be competive in GPL
:  and that the skill belongs very much to how often and how long you drive
: GPL ) I would say, GPL is some kind of Motorsport.

It's not a sport, it's a highly developed skill set.  Thousands of hours
of Asteroids made some kids in my class (we're going way back here) into
some sort of phenomenal automaton, with hand-eye coordination and reflexes
that were a level above others.  But arcade games are not sports.  A
watchmaker needs hours of work, each and every day, to hone and maintain
his craft, but watchmaking is not a sport.  A musician (for the most
part) needs hours of practice per day to play at world-class level, but
chamber musicians are not athletes.

(All my opinion, of course)

Stephen

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Johnny T on drop bars... classic stuff.  I had the pleasure of meeting
Tomac at the world cup in Klosters many years back.  Nice guy.

Stephen

~daxe

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