rec.autos.simulators

by **Schlom** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

RPM2Night just reported that CART and the IRL might be forming one league in
the near future. This is just speculation right now but it is very possible.
Anyone else see this segment?

Chris

by **Chris Schlette** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

Nothing on www.cart.com about it. Dunno, scary thought. But is this a
league thats seperate of the CART/IRL leagues or is this a combination of
CART/IRL or what? I think the combo of CART/IRL might run into problems
with manufacturers since, on both sides of the fence, the manufacturers have
sunk millions of dollars (or more) into their respective components.

by **Beeler** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

I wouldn't bet on it. I'm surprised the IRL has lasted this long already. Aside
from Indy, it doesn't appear that they are making any money. Just look at the
stands at any IRL event. Virtually empty. Personally I think Tony George is a
spoiled, power hungry little punk, if he had his way there would be no more
CART. By the way, I was willing to travel anywhere in the US for the USGP,
except Indy. Mr. George will not be getting any of my cash! Many others feel
the same. I wish he'd give it up & let the "REAL" drivers race at Indy on
Memorial Day weekend instead of a bunch of CART has- beens & backmarkers!!!! I
don't even watch his little "Who Cares 500"anymore!

by **Jeffrey Ha** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

On Mon, 24 May 1999 07:49:40 -0500, "Chris Schletter"

>CART/IRL or what? I think the combo of CART/IRL might run into problems
>with manufacturers since, on both sides of the fence, the manufacturers have
>sunk millions of dollars (or more) into their respective components.

Chris,
The stumbling block seemed to be about leasing vs buying the engines.
The CART camp wanted to continue with the leasing whereas Tony
George's group wanted their current arrangement of buying the engine
from the manufacturer and then having work done either by the team or
some outsourced engine builder. The CART engine companies did agree
with the normally aspirated formula, though.

Both these series really need to get together. Neither one is doing
well compared to the Nascar package.

by **Trey Beh** » Wed, 26 May 1999 04:00:00

>Just look at the
>stands at any IRL event. Virtually empty. Personally I think Tony George is a
>spoiled, power hungry little punk, if he had his way there would be no more
>CART. By the way, I was willing to travel anywhere in the US for the USGP,
>except Indy. Mr. George will not be getting any of my cash! Many others feel
>the same. I wish he'd give it up & let the "REAL" drivers race at Indy on
>Memorial Day weekend instead of a bunch of CART has- beens & backmarkers!!!!
>I
>don't even watch his little "Who Cares 500"anymore!

I don't know you, but we must have been separated at birth. Thank you for your
on-the-money outburst!

Trey Behan

by **John Bod** » Wed, 26 May 1999 04:00:00

I think this speculation is a result of a recent editorial in National
Speed Sport News which conjecturred that the sale of Penske's tracks
to the France family might spell the demise of CART's dates at those
tracks, and, ultimately, the demise of CART. I personally don't see a
CART/IRL reunification happening -- the IRL is a privately-owned
company, and CART is a publicly-held organization, and getting
everybody together (and pleasing CART's stockholders) would be like
mixing oil and water.

-- JB

by **Jim Moor** » Wed, 26 May 1999 04:00:00

John,

The ownership status would be a barrier to "complete" unification. However, the
Speedway and CART weren't unified prior to 1996 and all was peachy. Few people
care who races at Long Beach or C***te. The key is Indy. If CART and the IRL
have common car and engine specs, then the private/public ownership issue is moot.

The whole issue around engine leases are, perhaps, a greater barrier. Which
raises a question that you may be able to answer, John. If an IRL team uses a
CompTech or Brayton engine, can they work on it? I've heard/read that they can't.

Cheers,

Jim

Praying for sunny skies and an easy trip from the Speedway to Market Square Arena
on Sunday for Pacers v. Knicks. What a great day to be a gun-totin',
banjo-pickin', normally aspirated Hoosier!!!

> I personally don't see a
> CART/IRL reunification happening -- the IRL is a privately-owned
> company, and CART is a publicly-held organization, and getting
> everybody together (and pleasing CART's stockholders) would be like
> mixing oil and water.

> -- JB

by **Terry Welc** » Wed, 26 May 1999 04:00:00

Jim,
Unfortunately, a primary symptom of the problem is that few people
care who races at Long Beach or C***te. Unification is not going to
solve that. What is really needed here, from either IRL or CART, is
a good measure of showmanship and a focus on what their customers want.
The France family over the years has understood that, and for that
reason NASCAR has thrived. The differences that split CART from USAC
and later caused the formation of IRL and trademark battles over the
use of "Indycar" are at the core of the matter. First, for any of them
there must be some leadership in the direction of customer service
rather than the current fascination at the top of each of these three
organizations with (1) getting richer quicker, (2) prowess in
technical specifications, and (3) the racing itself. Bill France has
let those issues develop as a result of business success. We won't
see more open wheel racing (except the annual Memorial Day hypefests)
on TV or in the newspapers than we do right now until someone with
that vision gets involved. Maybe we can talk Bruton Smith into buying
one of these. He will turn it into the circus that the paying public
will buy into. Then, we can watch the racing aspects thrive.

Sorry if I got a little longwinded while on my soapbox.....

> John,

> The ownership status would be a barrier to "complete" unification.
However, the
> Speedway and CART weren't unified prior to 1996 and all was peachy.
Few people
> care who races at Long Beach or C***te. The key is Indy. If CART
and the IRL
> have common car and engine specs, then the private/public ownership
issue is moot.

> The whole issue around engine leases are, perhaps, a greater
barrier. Which
> raises a question that you may be able to answer, John. If an IRL
team uses a
> CompTech or Brayton engine, can they work on it? I've heard/read
that they can't.

> Cheers,

> Jim

> Praying for sunny skies and an easy trip from the Speedway to Market
Square Arena
> on Sunday for Pacers v. Knicks. What a great day to be a gun-totin',
> banjo-pickin', normally aspirated Hoosier!!!

> > I personally don't see a
> > CART/IRL reunification happening -- the IRL is a privately-owned
> > company, and CART is a publicly-held organization, and getting
> > everybody together (and pleasing CART's stockholders) would be like
> > mixing oil and water.

> > -- JB

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by **Kirk Lan** » Wed, 26 May 1999 04:00:00

In rec.autos.sport.indy (I think) there was a huge thing about this. IMO,
reunification would be a GREAT move. I live in Phoenix, so I'll give you my
example. When the CART guys came here, the stands were full. Not packed
beyond capacity like at the NASCAR races, but full. Now, after Buddy Jobe
sold the track to ISC and the IRL cars have been coming here, even the USAC
Silver Crown weekend brings more people (don't get me wrong, I love the
Silver Crown races!!!). It is downright EMPTY!!!! Empty like the stands at
Qualifying for the 500 EMPTY!!! I imagine that ever since that screw-up in
letting CART go, they have been losing lotsa money at the IRL race. As long
as Tony George gets absolutely no say in whatever league survives, I'm all
for it.

--
Kirk Lane

ICQ: 28171652

>I think this speculation is a result of a recent editorial in National
>Speed Sport News which conjecturred that the sale of Penske's tracks
>to the France family might spell the demise of CART's dates at those
>tracks, and, ultimately, the demise of CART. I personally don't see a
>CART/IRL reunification happening -- the IRL is a privately-owned
>company, and CART is a publicly-held organization, and getting
>everybody together (and pleasing CART's stockholders) would be like
>mixing oil and water.

>-- JB

>>RPM2Night just reported that CART and the IRL might be forming one league
in
>>the near future. This is just speculation right now but it is very
possible.
>>Anyone else see this segment?

>>Chris

by **Kirk Lan** » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

It seems that at every track that CART was at before, the crowds have
plummeted (Phoenix, Indy (at least for Qualifying)) but at the other tracks
where a champ car has never burned ***, the IRL draws a decent crowd.

--
Kirk Lane

ICQ: 28171652

RMRL #119

>The one exception is Texas Motor Speedway. They consistently draw over
>100,000 per race. About the same draw as a BGN race there.

>The more I watch them, the more I view them as spares. Some of their
>racing has been entertaining.

>Bill France is brokering a deal and it is possible
>(but not likely) the re-unified league would compete under the Nascar
>umbrella. A good idea because of the stability of Nascar.

>Tim.

>>I wouldn't bet on it. I'm surprised the IRL has lasted this long
>>already. Aside from Indy, it doesn't appear that they are making any
>>money. Just look at the stands at any IRL event. Virtually empty.
>>Personally I think Tony George is a spoiled, power hungry little punk,
>>if he had his way there would be no more CART. By the way, I was willing
>>to travel anywhere in the US for the USGP, except Indy. Mr. George will
>>not be getting any of my cash! Many others feel the same. I wish he'd
>>give it up & let the "REAL" drivers race at Indy on Memorial Day weekend
>>instead of a bunch of CART has- beens & backmarkers!!!! I don't even
>>watch his little "Who Cares 500"anymore!

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