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GPL - Its just a harder version of any arcade game.

Michael E. Carve

GPL - Its just a harder version of any arcade game.

by Michael E. Carve » Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:00:00


% Good points but why didn't CPR suporters hear the same thing? Could it be
% because MS made it?

Basically MS and TRI promised us simmers the moon, but only delivered
a crumb or two of stinky ole cheese! <G>

If they had delivered what they promised, you would have seen the same
hyperboles being heaped on GPL.  Instead, mostly we just saw good ole
plain hype.

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Barton Spencer Brow

GPL - Its just a harder version of any arcade game.

by Barton Spencer Brow » Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:00:00


> Wow. You just said a mouthful but you didn't answer the first question at all.

Dave>>

Well, I did, but I can understand how one can be lost in a forest of
unfamiliar words. Let me try to answer your original question:

"Good points but why didn't CPR suporters hear the same thing? Could it
be because MS made it?"

in words you may be able to process a little more easily.

1. The post to which you replied had nothing to do with CPR.

2. My rambling discussion in that post concerned (at least the part to
which you referred) the "willing suspension of disbelief" while playing
a sim.

3. It is a well-documented fact that a certain amount of concentration
and comfort must be achieved for the dramatic phenomenon of "willing
suspension of disbelief" to occur.

4. Many people, wiser and far more experienced than I, consider CPR
unfinished, and so damnably flawed as to be quite unrealistic,
specifically citing the fact that the game's faults are so intrusive
that it is difficult to get comfortable playing it. Thus, the "willing
suspension of disbelief" is nearly impossible to achieve, and the
"simulation" of a putative "real" experience does not occur. Perhaps
this is not true in *your* experience with CPR, but it seems to be true
for the majority of people who have played it.

5. You, like "Charles Mak", apparently cannot conceive of anyone having
an experience different from yours, unless they are unrepentantly stupid
(in Charles Mok's definition) or motivated by the dark forces of the
World-Wide Anti-Microsoft Cabal (the David Fisher version). However,

6. many, if not most, of the people who have commented unfavorably on
CPR own other Microsoft products which they find perfectly satisfactory
and even laudable.

7. Microsoft is a huge company with lots of money and unimaginable
resources. It is not likely that they could not have finished CPR to the
satisfaction of the majority of their customers. Yet they have NOT done
so, and they refuse to answer direct questions about when, or if, they
PLAN to do so; choosing instead to strut and crow about their track
editor and Monster Truck Madness.

If you had bought a Corvette from your friendly local Chevy dealer and
it had no transmission in it when you went to pick it up, would your
desire for a finished Corvette be amply fulfilled by the dealer telling
you what a fabulous Chevy StepSide they were coming out with next month?

I rather think not.

If there is any of this you don't understand, be sure to let me know.

Bart brown

David G Fishe

GPL - Its just a harder version of any arcade game.

by David G Fishe » Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:00:00

 >> Wow. You just said a mouthful but you didn't answer the first question
at

Read this Byron:


>Yet you would have everyone believe, just because you say so, that one sim

is a sham and another is an accurate representation of the real thing, and
that there is some sort of difference between "arcade"
relationship to ACTUAL driving than the other. Have you ever considered the
heretical notion that perhaps those differences exist in the individual
mind, and each person has a different, but equally valid, experience of the
things you do?>>

I asked if CPR supporters were given the same consideration as he asks for.
So no, I'm not happy with your reply because you didn't even address the
question. Now I've said before that I am an idiot, so I'm sure I'm wrong,
but isn't Barton saying in this paragraph that we all can have a different
opinion as to what seems realistic in a sim and that our different opinions
are all, equally valid. My question was pretty simple. Is this the same way
he and others have treated the opinions of CPR supporters here at r.a.s.?
You just said something I like is a piece of shit, so I don't get the
feeling you don't agree with Barton's statement.

Dave

Byron Forbe

GPL - Its just a harder version of any arcade game.

by Byron Forbe » Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:00:00


> Wow. You just said a mouthful but you didn't answer the first question at
> all.

  Let me try then. CPR full and patched is a piece of shit! GPL demo is
a work of art and the artists still aren't happy and want to do a few
more brush strokes before they put it on the shelves for show. But your
still not happy with that answer are you Dave?
Byron Forbe

GPL - Its just a harder version of any arcade game.

by Byron Forbe » Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:00:00



> >> I'll keep saying it until you all realise it.  GPL has got all the bounce
> >> and roll and swerve of any arcade racer.  Real 60's stuff was never so
> >> bouncy, rolly or swervy.  Just watch Speedvision and you'll see.

> Since when did they create a motorsports that doesn't bounce, roll or
> swerve?!?

> Stock cars?? NOT
> Indycars?? NOT
> Rally cars?? NOT
> Trucks?? NOT
> Street cars?? NOT
> Mountain bike?? NOT
> F1?? gee I wonder what those suspension are for
> Charles Mak's BMX?? YES IT DOESN'T BOUNCE, we got a winner here

  ROFL!
David G Fishe

GPL - Its just a harder version of any arcade game.

by David G Fishe » Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:00:00



>> Wow. You just said a mouthful but you didn't answer the first question
at
>> all.

>  Let me try then. CPR full and patched is a piece of shit! GPL demo is
>a work of art and the artists still aren't happy and want to do a few
>more brush strokes before they put it on the shelves for show. But your
>still not happy with that answer are you Dave?

Read this Byron:


>Yet you would have everyone believe, just because you say so, that one sim

is a sham and another is an accurate representation of the real thing, and
that there is some sort of difference between "arcade"
relationship to ACTUAL driving than the other. Have you ever considered the
heretical notion that perhaps those differences exist in the individual
mind, and each person has a different, but equally valid, experience of the
things you do?>>

I asked if CPR supporters were given the same consideration as he asks for.
So no, I'm not happy with your reply because you didn't even address the
question. Now I've said before that I am an idiot, so I'm sure I'm wrong,
but isn't Barton saying in this paragraph that we all can have a different
opinion as to what seems realistic in a sim and that our different opinions
are all, equally valid. My question was pretty simple. Is this the same way
he and others have treated the opinions of CPR supporters here at r.a.s.?
You just said something I like is a piece of shit, so I don't get the
feeling you agree with Barton's statement.

Dave

Wolfgang Prei

GPL - Its just a harder version of any arcade game.

by Wolfgang Prei » Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:00:00


>Andrew... RAS's most under-qualified opinion

I doubt you can defend this title with such strong competition. :)

Maybe one just remembers the good things, but I believe even at his
prime, Ymenard wasn't as annoying as some people are today.

BTW, Fran?ois grew up to become a reasonably sensible member of this
NG. Goes to show how useful kill files with a time limit are. Oh,
while speaking of defending titles, I think he has to drop the honor
of being "Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s."

The competition never sleeps. :)
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Byron Forbe

GPL - Its just a harder version of any arcade game.

by Byron Forbe » Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:00:00


> I asked if CPR supporters were given the same consideration as he asks for.
> So no, I'm not happy with your reply because you didn't even address the
> question. Now I've said before that I am an idiot, so I'm sure I'm wrong,
> but isn't Barton saying in this paragraph that we all can have a different
> opinion as to what seems realistic in a sim and that our different opinions
> are all, equally valid. My question was pretty simple. Is this the same way
> he and others have treated the opinions of CPR supporters here at r.a.s.?
> You just said something I like is a piece of shit, so I don't get the
> feeling you agree with Barton's statement.

> Dave

   My point is that I don't see the CPR shitfight as a matter of
realism. It's a matter of a non finished, totally unpolished product!
ymenar

GPL - Its just a harder version of any arcade game.

by ymenar » Sun, 19 Apr 1998 04:00:00


>Maybe one just remembers the good things, but I believe even at his
>prime, Ymenard wasn't as annoying as some people are today.

I don't even want to get into this subject anymore. Darn I hate DejaNews ;-P

Thank you for your good comment, I myself think I went from very low to
"good", so now If I start to do my Eric T. Busch interpretation, I will
maybe get spot by Papyrus and work for them ;-)  (just joking,
congratulations another time Eric).

I still have the line in my *.sig file, but did some very high research and
I work very hard to minimize the ratio it takes into my posting (I did
around 50 drafts to finally arrive to my real signature file).  I still have
the line in an sarcastic way, maybe to make people laugh, I don't know, I
would have to self-analyse myself but this could make me go crazy and ill
(not-joking).

Naw, I think Joel Putty is still the All-time leader here. :-P

Just saw your post today btw (slipped by my ISP).

Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-)

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Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking)

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