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GP3 considered opinion..

Simon Brow

GP3 considered opinion..

by Simon Brow » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Ok, no flames for this, it is my honest opinion. :)

I've got to say GP3 really improves after a bit of play-time.  About an hour
after downloading it I was hugely dissapointed.  The graphics were messy,
the Ferarri and McLaren looked poor, the crowds looked ugly, the trees
looked messy and some of the graphics were blocky close up.  Also I could
see GP2 everywhere, in every menu and every screen.
After another hour, I began to think it wasn't that bad.  More or less like
GP2 with 3d acceleration and a face lift.
I've now played it about five hours and to my amazement, I now think it's
wonderful.  Seriously, anyone who's already given up on it should give it
another try and not form an opinion until you've given it some serious seat
time (think of all the people who's opinion of GPL was permanently tainted
by not giving it a fair chance).
I've just finished a mammoth full length race at Silverstone, starting in
the dry and then it rained half way through.  It was tremendous fun,
although pretty difficult with no driving aids.  Absolutely couldn't do
anything in the wet on the slicks, it was a real battle just to make it back
to the pitlane.  Also the weather transitions are excellent.
I can't really explain why, but after you get used to the game, all the
problems seem to just dissapear, most probably because it's so much fun.
The dodgy graphics are still dodgy, but you're so busy playing the game it
just doesn't matter.  For me GP3 has the most important thing in abundance -
gamplay, and I recommend it to everyone.

Simon.

Greg Cisk

GP3 considered opinion..

by Greg Cisk » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00


No flame here. But GP3 may not be that bad. If it were the only
game available... Judging from the reports (yours included)
there is no way I can say GP3 would be better than F1 2000.

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Marc Collin

GP3 considered opinion..

by Marc Collin » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

What wheel and controller settings are you using?  It looks like it could be
fun (although not a killer sim, by any means) if I could get decent FFB and
steering response.

Marc.


Simon Brow

GP3 considered opinion..

by Simon Brow » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Logitech Wingman FF.
Simon Brow

GP3 considered opinion..

by Simon Brow » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

At least the tracks are the right shape and you don't have to download AI
patches and run in windowed mode to get it running fast.  So far no massive
AI pile-ups either.  And although not looking spectacularly good (except in
wet weather) it certainly looks better than F1 2000.
Kieran Larki

GP3 considered opinion..

by Kieran Larki » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

My point is that people aren't looking past the physics/correctness of it to
the damn fun game. look the idea of it is to be FUN!

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Kieran
www.pcracing.co.uk for GP3 and WSC

> What wheel and controller settings are you using?  It looks like it could
be
> fun (although not a killer sim, by any means) if I could get decent FFB
and
> steering response.

> Marc.



> > Ok, no flames for this, it is my honest opinion. :)

> > I've got to say GP3 really improves after a bit of play-time.  About an
> hour
> > after downloading it I was hugely dissapointed.  The graphics were
messy,
> > the Ferarri and McLaren looked poor, the crowds looked ugly, the trees
> > looked messy and some of the graphics were blocky close up.  Also I
could
> > see GP2 everywhere, in every menu and every screen.
> > After another hour, I began to think it wasn't that bad.  More or less
> like
> > GP2 with 3d acceleration and a face lift.
> > I've now played it about five hours and to my amazement, I now think
it's
> > wonderful.  Seriously, anyone who's already given up on it should give
it
> > another try and not form an opinion until you've given it some serious
> seat
> > time (think of all the people who's opinion of GPL was permanently
tainted
> > by not giving it a fair chance).
> > I've just finished a mammoth full length race at Silverstone, starting
in
> > the dry and then it rained half way through.  It was tremendous fun,
> > although pretty difficult with no driving aids.  Absolutely couldn't do
> > anything in the wet on the slicks, it was a real battle just to make it
> back
> > to the pitlane.  Also the weather transitions are excellent.
> > I can't really explain why, but after you get used to the game, all the
> > problems seem to just dissapear, most probably because it's so much fun.
> > The dodgy graphics are still dodgy, but you're so busy playing the game
it
> > just doesn't matter.  For me GP3 has the most important thing in
> abundance -
> > gamplay, and I recommend it to everyone.

> > Simon.

N..

GP3 considered opinion..

by N.. » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:58:19 GMT, "Simon Brown"

Not going by all the sreenshots I've seen it isn't.
You just need a fast cpu and a V5 running 4XFSAA and F12000 looks
great, but you must turn off a few options. From the looks of GP3 it
doesn't even look 3D accelerated.

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Nos

Jo Helse

GP3 considered opinion..

by Jo Helse » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00


>On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:58:19 GMT, "Simon Brown"

>>And although not looking spectacularly good (except in
>>wet weather) it certainly looks better than F1 2000.

>Not going by all the sreenshots I've seen it isn't.
>You just need a fast cpu and a V5 running 4XFSAA and F12000 looks
>great, but you must turn off a few options. From the looks of GP3 it
>doesn't even look 3D accelerated.

"3D accelerated look" is NOT necessarilly everyones taste.

JoH

------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 --------
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Greg Cisk

GP3 considered opinion..

by Greg Cisk » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00


> "3D accelerated look" is NOT necessarilly everyones taste.

I imagine those people are the ones that don't have the proper
hardware. Or they blindly think they like a game with bad graphics.

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ElfKin

GP3 considered opinion..

by ElfKin » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:14:55 +0100, "Kieran Larkin"


>My point is that people aren't looking past the physics/correctness of it to
>the damn fun game. look the idea of it is to be FUN!

YES!  Thats what I wanted and thats what it is.

**ElfKing**
T'was in a kingdom long ago and far away......

N..

GP3 considered opinion..

by N.. » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:08:50 +0200, Jo Helsen

Yea right, some people just have bad taste.
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Nos

Jo Hels

GP3 considered opinion..

by Jo Hels » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00


>On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:08:50 +0200, Jo Helsen

>>"3D accelerated look" is NOT necessarilly everyones taste.

>Yea right, some people just have bad taste.

Indeed. Question is: WHO has the bad taste?   :-)

JoH

N..

GP3 considered opinion..

by N.. » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00


thus spoke:

In all honesty I think GP3 looks pretty good, it just doesn't look
like it is filtering all of the textures. Without 3D acceleration you
get no filtering to smooth textures so anyone who thinks non-3D
accelerated looks better than 3D accelerated needs to clean their
glasses more often. :-)
--
Nos

Jo Hels

GP3 considered opinion..

by Jo Hels » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00



>thus spoke:

>>Indeed. Question is: WHO has the bad taste?   :-)

>>JoH

>In all honesty I think GP3 looks pretty good, it just doesn't look
>like it is filtering all of the textures. Without 3D acceleration you
>get no filtering to smooth textures so anyone who thinks non-3D
>accelerated looks better than 3D accelerated needs to clean their
>glasses more often. :-)

It's an argument. :-)

But this "pixellation" is very relative. First of all it only becomes
really apparent when you get close upto a wall for example. Now how
often does that happen? Secondly, -while racing- you do not have
either time or intention to evaluate every pixel. You focus on the
track ahead, and everything else moves to "peripheral vision". The
importance of the details lowers, and the tint, brightness etc.
becomes more important. IMHO GP3 looks especially stronger in that
department.

JoH

SKur

GP3 considered opinion..

by SKur » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Errr  background textures are blocky as well, with very little detail even
from a loooong way off

Martyn_D




> >thus spoke:

> >>Indeed. Question is: WHO has the bad taste?   :-)

> >>JoH

> >In all honesty I think GP3 looks pretty good, it just doesn't look
> >like it is filtering all of the textures. Without 3D acceleration you
> >get no filtering to smooth textures so anyone who thinks non-3D
> >accelerated looks better than 3D accelerated needs to clean their
> >glasses more often. :-)

> It's an argument. :-)

> But this "pixellation" is very relative. First of all it only becomes
> really apparent when you get close upto a wall for example. Now how
> often does that happen? Secondly, -while racing- you do not have
> either time or intention to evaluate every pixel. You focus on the
> track ahead, and everything else moves to "peripheral vision". The
> importance of the details lowers, and the tint, brightness etc.
> becomes more important. IMHO GP3 looks especially stronger in that
> department.

> JoH


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