rec.autos.simulators

by **John Bod** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:37:23

Don't tease me like that!

;-)

-- JB

>Maybe it is a hidden plot where at the last second, they will change it from
>World Sports Car to Indy Racing League 2001.

>JB

>> <SATIRE>

>> Not that long ago, we all eagerly awaited the arrival of "Trans Am
>> Racing: 1968- 1972" -- this was one of the most highly-anticipated
>> sims ever, and it promised to be every bit as good as GPL.

>> Unfortunately, the train derailed halfway through the journey to the
>> store shelves, and TAR emerged as "The Dukes Of Hazzard." And there
>> was no rejoicing.

>> Now I see that Empire Interactive -- the publisher who is bringing us
>> the West brothers' WSC, the current most highly-anticipated sim which
>> promises to be every bit as good as GPL -- is also working on a
>> "Starsky & Hutch" game. Could THIS be another huge bait-and-switch
>> like we saw with "Trans Am Racing," perhaps???

>> Let's hope there's not a trend developing here . . .

>> </SATIRE>

>> Just to prove I'm not kidding about the "Starsky & Hutch" game, check
>> this out:

>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> This COULD be fun, actually -- I imagine it will be much like "Driver"
>> (and hopefully NOTHING like the "Dukes of Hazzard").

>> ;-)

>> -- JB

by **Tom Pabs** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:48:49

Compared to what?

Tom

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 03:48:42

Probably compared to 36fps. :)

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by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:01:25

> And more then likely never will ! :(

And you base that on?

A feeling in your water maybe?

by **Simon Brow** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:21:32

Maybe Tom did the same upgrade I did, from V3 3000 AGP to V5 5500 AGP and
got, like me, no fps gain in GPL. To carify that, my V5 ran GPL as good as
any card ever released, but I was expecting it to run GPL *better* since the
card was twice the speed of a V3.

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:40:17

> Maybe Tom did the same upgrade I did, from V3 3000 AGP to V5 5500 AGP and
> got, like me, no fps gain in GPL. To carify that, my V5 ran GPL as good as
> any card ever released, but I was expecting it to run GPL *better* since the
> card was twice the speed of a V3.

What were you expecting, 72fps? You say your got 'no fps gain in GPL',
well if you weren't getting 36fps with your V3 then there was something
wrong with your system. If, on the other hand you had 36 but were after
more than that with the V5, then there was something wrong with your
rational.

Gerry

by **Tom Pabs** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:58:27

I do (did...in GPL's case) a lot of high-res track editing......pushing the
limits of GPl tracks (and***pits).....and the V5 didn't hold up as
expected. It was not a frame rate issue, it was a "graphics quality" issue.

Tom

PS: The prettiest GPL graphics....best frame rates....were running the
stock 16bit graphics with the V2 dual 12megs in SLI. Everything after that
was down hill......3dfx wise.

by **Simon Brow** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 06:09:22

No offense, but you've jumped the gun there. I never mentioned any fps
figures. I'm talking about frame rates on race starts with a full field of
AI opponents and the detail slider bar on full. I didn't get 36 fps with
the V3 and the scores did not go up with the V5. I know the V5 is a faster
card in most games.

by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 06:28:30

GPL with a V3 got 36fps on my piii 500 but I had to turn down the detail
quite a-lot. Same with a V5...But once I put on the 1.1ghz AMD Athlon, I'd
get 36fps at the start, back of the pack with full detail..it was very
cool...(fsaa turned on as well) but now stuck with the piii and the detail
slider is back just below the center.
dave henrie

> > Maybe Tom did the same upgrade I did, from V3 3000 AGP to V5 5500 AGP
and
> > got, like me, no fps gain in GPL. To carify that, my V5 ran GPL as good
as
> > any card ever released, but I was expecting it to run GPL *better* since
the
> > card was twice the speed of a V3.

> What were you expecting, 72fps? You say your got 'no fps gain in GPL',
> well if you weren't getting 36fps with your V3 then there was something
> wrong with your system. If, on the other hand you had 36 but were after
> more than that with the V5, then there was something wrong with your
> rational.

> Gerry

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 07:53:53

> No offense,

Non taken.

Sounds like you topped out on your cpu performance. What were your
system specs?

Gerry

by **Simon Brow** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 08:25:33

P3-650. The same thought occured to me, maybe it was the CPU, but then I
thought why would GPL speed up so much when turning down the detail slider
bar if the CPU was the limiting factor?

To be honest though, that's not a valid argument, since the CPU has to
transform the polygons, and with the detail slider on full there will be
more polygons to transform, hence a higher CPU workload. So you are
probably right, the CPU is likely to have been the limiting factor. Should
have thought this through before I posted really <sheepish grin>

> > No offense,

> Non taken.

> > but you've jumped the gun there. I never mentioned any fps
> > figures. I'm talking about frame rates on race starts with a full field
of
> > AI opponents and the detail slider bar on full. I didn't get 36 fps
with
> > the V3 and the scores did not go up with the V5. I know the V5 is a
faster
> > card in most games.

> Sounds like you topped out on your cpu performance. What were your
> system specs?

> Gerry

by **JJ Srickli** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:54:03

huh?

by **Eldre** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:30:46

>Compared to what?

>Tom

Who are you talking to? You didn't quote anything. Assunimg you're talking to
me, I had a V3 before with a K63-400 system. I could get 36fps, but I had to
run in lower res(640x480), or turn the graphics way down. Now(Athlon 1.3, V5)
I can run 1024x768, all graphics, and high detail with the same framerates.

Eldred
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by JM » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:40:06

Pabst"

> >Compared to what?

> >Tom

> Who are you talking to? You didn't quote anything. Assunimg you're
talking to
> me, I had a V3 before with a K63-400 system. I could get 36fps, but I had
to
> run in lower res(640x480), or turn the graphics way down. Now(Athlon 1.3,
V5)
> I can run 1024x768, all graphics, and high detail with the same
framerates.

> Eldred

I'd put money on the Athlon doing the business, not the V5.

cheers
John

by **Eldre** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:32:22

>> Who are you talking to? You didn't quote anything. Assunimg you're
>talking to
>> me, I had a V3 before with a K63-400 system. I could get 36fps, but I had
>to
>> run in lower res(640x480), or turn the graphics way down. Now(Athlon 1.3,
>V5)
>> I can run 1024x768, all graphics, and high detail with the same
>framerates.

>> Eldred

>I'd put money on the Athlon doing the business, not the V5.

Probably - but the message I posted that in reply to implied that there were
problems with the V5 and GPL. I haven't seen any problems...

Eldred
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