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restrictor plates

Dave Boyl

restrictor plates

by Dave Boyl » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 05:17:31

The only way I see EFI working effectively is if NASCAR provides spec
modules during inspection like they do with the restrictor plates.

db


> It would certainly be interesting...

> The ways one could cheat would be limitless, especially at 'plate' tracks.

> Speaking of which, that would be one hell of a restrictor plate, wouldn't
it
> :)

> Larry



> > It was Robert Yates who wants Nascar to move to fuel injection.  Ford
> > and Toyota also want fuel injection.  So Larry you might have this
> > down the road, I wouldn't be suprised if it happens within 3 years.

> > On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:12:19 -0500, "Steve Blankenship"

> > >Just read an interview with one of the team owners the other day; can't
> > >remember where or who, but he was saying he wished they'd go to a spec
> fuel
> > >injection system since it more closely resembled "stock" cars of today
> and
> > >could be tweaked by Nascar to keep the cars closer in the engine
> > >compartment.  But the flipside from Nascar was that it is easy and
cheap
> to
> > >police carb bores, etc., but once you got into electronic fuel systems
> you
> > >were opening a Pandora's box for potential cheating and enforcement.  I
> > >think you'd see OHC before EFI, but with the rpms WC cars are turning,
> you
> > >don't really need OHC.

> > >Not much in common with modern cars, for sure - but as then as DW put
it,
> > >once they let Ford run the (4-door) Taurus with a Cup-spec body,
> "anything
> > >goes".

> > >SB

Dave Henri

restrictor plates

by Dave Henri » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 05:46:51





>> >they have
>> >PUSHRODS as well

> Didn't Penske / Mercedes / Ilmor smoke the field with a pushrod motor at
> Indy by pushing the limits of the rules?

   The rule was originally written for the benefit of one man,  John
Mennard.  He was a friend of Satan's son(the IRL founder) and couldn't get
his stock block v6's to run fast enough to compete with the Ford's and
Illmor's.  So the despicable one wrote rules to allow Mennard enough extra
umph to compete, actually overcompete, with the purebred racing engines.  
Penkse went through the rules and found a very very very large loophole and
went out and blew away the field.  
   Now what was the fallout of this?
A)  Penkse was so pleased with his new motor he planned on running it for
the rest of the CART season and into the next year.  Ilmor, knowing they
had the engine to beat, began a full scale program to build plenty more of
these engines when the other teams came calling.
B)  CART restricted the use of the stock block engines, so Penske had to
return to the regular Ilmors.
C)  Ilmor was so heavily invested financially in the new block program they
could not properly maintain the pre-existing engine's research and
development.  For the next several years the Ilmor powerplant lost more and
more ground to the Honda's and Fords...only one other season after this did
the Ilmor compete effectively for the Manufactuer's cup.  In fact, the F1
program also suffered at this time.
D)  Satan's ill-conceived child rewarded Penkse's team the very next year
for flaunting his stockblock rule.  For some reason the team that had won
Indy a record # of times, the team that had tested in cold weather 3 months
earlier and set very fast times, couldn't find any speed in May.  If they
ran high downforce they were too slow, if they trimmed out the cars the
popoff valves(100% supplied and controlled by the Devils Spawn's track
sanctioning team) would blow and kill their speed.  Even when Penkse
borrowed cars from Team Rahal, a team that had easily qualified, they still
could not make the field.
E)  the child of the Devil knew his friend John Mennard couldn't
financially compete with the top CART teams so he created the irl to keep
the Penkse's of the world at bay.(until such time he needed big names to
keep his underglamorized series afloat)  He then made Team Mennard the
official test team of the irl and provided them with over a 1000 laps at
the brickyard to test tires, tubs, engines and trannies.  Mennard's team,
with the best remaining driver: a kid named Tony Stewart..failed to finish
the majority of the irl's first season despite this huge testing
adavantage. Many of the irl's teams arrived at the Disneyworld race with
zero test laps.  
  Here endeth the lesson, told without rancor or prejuidice, strictly the
facts.

dave henrie

Goy Larse

restrictor plates

by Goy Larse » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 06:04:36


>   Here endeth the lesson, told without rancor or prejuidice, strictly the
> facts.

Uh huh.....

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Dave Boyl

restrictor plates

by Dave Boyl » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 06:24:04



> >   Here endeth the lesson, told without rancor or prejuidice, strictly
the
> > facts.

> Uh huh.....

Seems to be pretty much the way I remember things....
Especially the Devil Spawn stuff   ;D

db

Goy Larse

restrictor plates

by Goy Larse » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 06:44:10


> Seems to be pretty much the way I remember things....
> Especially the Devil Spawn stuff   ;D

Although I don't doubt most of the "facts" for a second, I do somehow
and for some strange reason doubt DH's ability to talk about this
"without rancor or prejudice"

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

remove EATSPAM to repl

restrictor plates

by remove EATSPAM to repl » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:27:07


Restrictor plates restricts the amount of the air going into the engine.

--KC

Stephen F

restrictor plates

by Stephen F » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:59:21


No problem.  Just make them use Bosch K-jetronic from a 1970s era VW.  It
was almost purely mechanical (and fun to work on).  Not much cheating
without a computer.

Stephen

Stephen F

restrictor plates

by Stephen F » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:01:23


Personally, I'll take the low-end grunt of a BMW DOHC V8, coupled with the
top-end rush of a BMW DOHC V8.  :-)

Iron***in a velvet glove...

Now, if it's low end grunt you want, just put us all in big diesels.  They
have enough torque to pull a house over.

kero..

restrictor plates

by kero.. » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:46:48

Thanks to all for clarifying those tech details. I think that F1 could
do with some of that "old school stuff". Would spice up things a
bit...

greetings,


>I only discovered the joys of Nascar Racing since 6 months ago (bought
>NR2002 and got pay tv with Winston Cup coverage) so newbie question :
>restrictor plates are supposed to bring down speed on superspeedways
>but where are they located (under the car? at the back??), what is
>their form and do they just work as wings (spoilers/airbrakes) or is
>there something more technologically advanced at play???

>greets,

MadDAW

restrictor plates

by MadDAW » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 00:19:54

They would then be called restrictor chip racing.

MadDAWG


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