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GPL: safe shift point for Honda?

Jan Verschuere

GPL: safe shift point for Honda?

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:03:55

Hi,

In the GPVL we're having a winter "fun" series of GP length races using any
combination of Honda/Cooper/Maserati chassis/engine. I decided to go
Honda/Honda to increase my familiarity with this car.

However, the engine went belly up on me after only 25 laps at Zandvoort last
night. I'd been shifting up with the revs in the 12:30/1pm range (still
using default dash so nu numbers on the counter), is that too high for
reliabilities sake?

Any of the more experienced Honda drivers care to make a a "safe" shift
point suggestion?

Thanks,

Jan.
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Jason Mond

GPL: safe shift point for Honda?

by Jason Mond » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:03:53

That 12:30 sounds fine as long as you lift the throttle when shifting
and be careful on downshifts.

I made some "standard" setups in which the Honda is one of my favorite
setups because I spent the most time on it.  You can give them a shot.
I tried them without FF and combined-axis and they really handle
differently -- they were created using a Ferrari FF and split-axis.
Your mileage may vary.

http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl
http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/Jasons Standard Setups.zip


> Hi,

> In the GPVL we're having a winter "fun" series of GP length races using any
> combination of Honda/Cooper/Maserati chassis/engine. I decided to go
> Honda/Honda to increase my familiarity with this car.

> However, the engine went belly up on me after only 25 laps at Zandvoort last
> night. I'd been shifting up with the revs in the 12:30/1pm range (still
> using default dash so nu numbers on the counter), is that too high for
> reliabilities sake?

> Any of the more experienced Honda drivers care to make a a "safe" shift
> point suggestion?

> Thanks,

> Jan.
> =---
> "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

> - FCMH schedule : http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2/calender.html


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Jesse Blac

GPL: safe shift point for Honda?

by Jesse Blac » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 02:33:45

It isn't really the shift point that makes it blow up...as long as you lift
enough when you shift.  What really makes it blow up is the downshifting
(downshift later to keep the revs down) and 5th gear.  In 5th gear if you
are revving it right up to the top, it really hurts the engine.  You might
need to cut back on 5th gear to gain some reliability...the problem with
this is that you can lose a half second at tracks like monza where you are
in 5th gear a long time.  So cut back a bit on 5th gear and downshift later,
but the best advice is to hit F10 when you get on the long straight on the
track and check your oil temp.  Try to keep it under 250.  If it gets to
250, shift a little early and downshift much later for a couple of laps.
Keep checking the temp and it should fall a good amount.  If you need to
catch/pass someone, you might want to cut back for a lap or two to let the
temp get down, then go all out...but watch out, the temp will sky rocket
very fast.  A quick note, I have run the Honda at 265 for an int long race
at monza and it held together...but I wouldn't recommend getting close to
that figure in a GP race...especially for a league.

Good luck with the Honda...she is a good car if you treat her right.

If you have any questions or want me to explain more/better, email me at

Jesse

Brian Bowle

GPL: safe shift point for Honda?

by Brian Bowle » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:11:21

There is a fine line in the Honda. If you run it hard you can get more speed
out of it but the reliability goes way down. I have found the honda to be
lacking in power in low revs more than most of the other cars. Jesse gave
some good advice. Watch your oil pressure gauge too. If it gets too high
then back off for a couple of laps.

> It isn't really the shift point that makes it blow up...as long as you
lift
> enough when you shift.  What really makes it blow up is the downshifting
> (downshift later to keep the revs down) and 5th gear.  In 5th gear if you
> are revving it right up to the top, it really hurts the engine.  You might
> need to cut back on 5th gear to gain some reliability...the problem with
> this is that you can lose a half second at tracks like monza where you are
> in 5th gear a long time.  So cut back a bit on 5th gear and downshift
later,
> but the best advice is to hit F10 when you get on the long straight on the
> track and check your oil temp.  Try to keep it under 250.  If it gets to
> 250, shift a little early and downshift much later for a couple of laps.
> Keep checking the temp and it should fall a good amount.  If you need to
> catch/pass someone, you might want to cut back for a lap or two to let the
> temp get down, then go all out...but watch out, the temp will sky rocket
> very fast.  A quick note, I have run the Honda at 265 for an int long race
> at monza and it held together...but I wouldn't recommend getting close to
> that figure in a GP race...especially for a league.

> Good luck with the Honda...she is a good car if you treat her right.

> If you have any questions or want me to explain more/better, email me at

> Jesse

Jan Verschuere

GPL: safe shift point for Honda?

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:44:34

Ok, thanks guys.... figuring out how to install Bruce's Honda at the moment
so I can make sense of the***pit gauges. Checking oil temp and pressure
using F10 view is out of the question, if I even think about reaching for
the keyboard while racing I have an off.

Thanks for your input,

Jan.
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Eldre

GPL: safe shift point for Honda?

by Eldre » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:32:54



>It isn't really the shift point that makes it blow up...as long as you lift
>enough when you shift.  What really makes it blow up is the downshifting
>(downshift later to keep the revs down) and 5th gear.  In 5th gear if you
>are revving it right up to the top, it really hurts the engine.  You might
>need to cut back on 5th gear to gain some reliability...the problem with
>this is that you can lose a half second at tracks like monza where you are
>in 5th gear a long time.  So cut back a bit on 5th gear and downshift later,
>but the best advice is to hit F10 when you get on the long straight on the
>track and check your oil temp.  Try to keep it under 250.  If it gets to
>250, shift a little early and downshift much later for a couple of laps.
>Keep checking the temp and it should fall a good amount.  If you need to
>catch/pass someone, you might want to cut back for a lap or two to let the
>temp get down, then go all out...but watch out, the temp will sky rocket
>very fast.  A quick note, I have run the Honda at 265 for an int long race
>at monza and it held together...but I wouldn't recommend getting close to
>that figure in a GP race...especially for a league.

Is there someplace that shows the values for the gauges?  I couldn't tell where
250 WAS if I wanted to...

Eldred
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Brian Bowle

GPL: safe shift point for Honda?

by Brian Bowle » Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:55:11

Eldred dont pay attention to the numbers. Just pay attention to the position
on the guage. I know if mine gets to a certain point that I might be in
danger.



> >It isn't really the shift point that makes it blow up...as long as you
lift
> >enough when you shift.  What really makes it blow up is the downshifting
> >(downshift later to keep the revs down) and 5th gear.  In 5th gear if you
> >are revving it right up to the top, it really hurts the engine.  You
might
> >need to cut back on 5th gear to gain some reliability...the problem with
> >this is that you can lose a half second at tracks like monza where you
are
> >in 5th gear a long time.  So cut back a bit on 5th gear and downshift
later,
> >but the best advice is to hit F10 when you get on the long straight on
the
> >track and check your oil temp.  Try to keep it under 250.  If it gets to
> >250, shift a little early and downshift much later for a couple of laps.
> >Keep checking the temp and it should fall a good amount.  If you need to
> >catch/pass someone, you might want to cut back for a lap or two to let
the
> >temp get down, then go all out...but watch out, the temp will sky rocket
> >very fast.  A quick note, I have run the Honda at 265 for an int long
race
> >at monza and it held together...but I wouldn't recommend getting close to
> >that figure in a GP race...especially for a league.

> Is there someplace that shows the values for the gauges?  I couldn't tell
where
> 250 WAS if I wanted to...

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.


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