rec.autos.simulators

> Now that I finally have it....

> 1) How do I get the virtual mirror and the "real" mirrors on at the same
> time?

> 2) Why doesn't the button I map to clutch work on the track, yet it works on
> the controller set-up screen?  I am using absolutely no aids except auto
> clutch.  Of course, if I had an analogue clutch in my controller, I wouldn't
> need to map a button, would I, so the answer better not be that auto clutch
> cancels it out!

> Thanks in advance for help!

> Marc

> Marc Collins

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>I posed the same Q to SimBin.  Their answer: if yer using auto clutch
> mapping it to a button does nothing.  I cited several situations where
> having a clutch *override* would be useful even if auto clutch is enabled
> (like, for example, gettingthe car unstuck from a sand trap...the way you
> can do it in Papy sims). They never responded to the suggestion.

>> Now that I finally have it....

>> 1) How do I get the virtual mirror and the "real" mirrors on at the same
>> time?

>> 2) Why doesn't the button I map to clutch work on the track, yet it works
> on
>> the controller set-up screen?  I am using absolutely no aids except auto
>> clutch.  Of course, if I had an analogue clutch in my controller, I
> wouldn't
>> need to map a button, would I, so the answer better not be that auto
> clutch
>> cancels it out!

>> Thanks in advance for help!

>> Marc

>> --

> ****************************************************************************
>> Marc Collins

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>> to take effect. Reboot now?

> ****************************************************************************

> You are of course right, Steve and I am glad you have already asked them
> about this.  There is also the occasional time when you just need to
> disengage the drive to the wheels to help stabilize the car (anyone who
has
> driven a pre-stability control rear wheel drive street car in snow or on
ice
> will understand).  I can't imagine this would be a big deal to patch in
and
> why would anyone not do this?  The people who don't care or want it can
just
> not map their controller to the clutch?!?!?!?!  But why annoy the rest of
> us?  And if necessary, make the controller set-up screen match reality--no
> clutch in the game, no clutch response on the set-up screen.

> It appears that NSR has the same "feature."

> Any comments on the mirror thing?

> Marc

> >I posed the same Q to SimBin.  Their answer: if yer using auto clutch
> > mapping it to a button does nothing.  I cited several situations where
> > having a clutch *override* would be useful even if auto clutch is
enabled
> > (like, for example, gettingthe car unstuck from a sand trap...the way
you
> > can do it in Papy sims). They never responded to the suggestion.

> >> Now that I finally have it....

> >> 1) How do I get the virtual mirror and the "real" mirrors on at the
same
> >> time?

> >> 2) Why doesn't the button I map to clutch work on the track, yet it
works
> > on
> >> the controller set-up screen?  I am using absolutely no aids except
auto
> >> clutch.  Of course, if I had an analogue clutch in my controller, I
> > wouldn't
> >> need to map a button, would I, so the answer better not be that auto
> > clutch
> >> cancels it out!

> >> Thanks in advance for help!

> >> Marc

> >> --

> >> Marc Collins

> >> Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> >> to take effect. Reboot now?

>I think (hope) they have bigger fish to fry...like fixing the
> league/multiplayer issues.

> (Of course, it didn't help that the example I cited for needing a clutch

> Ring in the game!)

> I use the virtual mirror(s).  No probs there.

>> You are of course right, Steve and I am glad you have already asked them
>> about this.  There is also the occasional time when you just need to
>> disengage the drive to the wheels to help stabilize the car (anyone who
> has
>> driven a pre-stability control rear wheel drive street car in snow or on
> ice
>> will understand).  I can't imagine this would be a big deal to patch in
> and
>> why would anyone not do this?  The people who don't care or want it can
> just
>> not map their controller to the clutch?!?!?!?!  But why annoy the rest of
>> us?  And if necessary, make the controller set-up screen match
>> reality--no
>> clutch in the game, no clutch response on the set-up screen.

>> It appears that NSR has the same "feature."

>> Any comments on the mirror thing?

>> Marc

>> >I posed the same Q to SimBin.  Their answer: if yer using auto clutch
>> > mapping it to a button does nothing.  I cited several situations where
>> > having a clutch *override* would be useful even if auto clutch is
> enabled
>> > (like, for example, gettingthe car unstuck from a sand trap...the way
> you
>> > can do it in Papy sims). They never responded to the suggestion.

>> >> Now that I finally have it....

>> >> 1) How do I get the virtual mirror and the "real" mirrors on at the
> same
>> >> time?

>> >> 2) Why doesn't the button I map to clutch work on the track, yet it
> works
>> > on
>> >> the controller set-up screen?  I am using absolutely no aids except
> auto
>> >> clutch.  Of course, if I had an analogue clutch in my controller, I
>> > wouldn't
>> >> need to map a button, would I, so the answer better not be that auto
>> > clutch
>> >> cancels it out!

>> >> Thanks in advance for help!

>> >> Marc

>> >> --

> ****************************************************************************
>> >> Marc Collins

>> >> Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
>> >> to take effect. Reboot now?

> ****************************************************************************

> Virtual mirror(s)?  There is more than one?

> Marc

> >I think (hope) they have bigger fish to fry...like fixing the
> > league/multiplayer issues.

> > (Of course, it didn't help that the example I cited for needing a clutch

the
> > Ring in the game!)

> > I use the virtual mirror(s).  No probs there.

> >> You are of course right, Steve and I am glad you have already asked
them
> >> about this.  There is also the occasional time when you just need to
> >> disengage the drive to the wheels to help stabilize the car (anyone who
> > has
> >> driven a pre-stability control rear wheel drive street car in snow or
on
> > ice
> >> will understand).  I can't imagine this would be a big deal to patch in
> > and
> >> why would anyone not do this?  The people who don't care or want it can
> > just
> >> not map their controller to the clutch?!?!?!?!  But why annoy the rest
of
> >> us?  And if necessary, make the controller set-up screen match
> >> reality--no
> >> clutch in the game, no clutch response on the set-up screen.

> >> It appears that NSR has the same "feature."

> >> Any comments on the mirror thing?

> >> Marc

> >> >I posed the same Q to SimBin.  Their answer: if yer using auto clutch
> >> > mapping it to a button does nothing.  I cited several situations
where
> >> > having a clutch *override* would be useful even if auto clutch is
> > enabled
> >> > (like, for example, gettingthe car unstuck from a sand trap...the way
> > you
> >> > can do it in Papy sims). They never responded to the suggestion.

> >> >> Now that I finally have it....

> >> >> 1) How do I get the virtual mirror and the "real" mirrors on at the
> > same
> >> >> time?

> >> >> 2) Why doesn't the button I map to clutch work on the track, yet it
> > works
> >> > on
> >> >> the controller set-up screen?  I am using absolutely no aids except
> > auto
> >> >> clutch.  Of course, if I had an analogue clutch in my controller, I
> >> > wouldn't
> >> >> need to map a button, would I, so the answer better not be that auto
> >> > clutch
> >> >> cancels it out!

> >> >> Thanks in advance for help!

> >> >> Marc

> >> >> --

> >> >> Marc Collins

> >> >> Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> >> >> to take effect. Reboot now?

> I notice w. amu***t that some peeps want an even narrower FOV--to make
> the track seem "bigger," I guess--whereas I find the default FOV is
> nowhere near my flesh & *** FOV (approaching 180 deg.), something
> I find indispensible for avoiding collsions w. every Tom,*** and
> Henri on the race track.

> > I notice w. amu***t that some peeps want an even narrower FOV--to make
> > the track seem "bigger," I guess--whereas I find the default FOV is
> > nowhere near my flesh & *** FOV (approaching 180 deg.), something
> > I find indispensible for avoiding collsions w. every Tom,*** and
> > Henri on the race track.

> A personal preference thing I guess. I prefer the immersion of the track
> looking vagely in the right proportion at the expense of peripheral
vision.
> Otherwise it looks like er a computer game not an effort of simulating
> driving.

> Personally I can comfortably run online GPL with a low FOV. If you really
> need to see the other racers around you then you are better off roof
riding,
> otherwise you need to develop a feeling of situational awareness from the
> closing speed in the mirrors. The best solution of all is a three screen
> setup, which I have tried. This truly makes up for the lack of head
turning
> capability, which can't be created through a standard screen IMHO. A wide
> FOV and a projector would be another alternative.

> Cheers
> Tony

> Jeez, Tony, if yer gonna look for a h/w solution, a decent 5.1 sound setup
> and an IR head tracker would be a LOT less 'spensive than 3 screens or a
> projector.

> > Jeez, Tony, if yer gonna look for a h/w solution, a decent 5.1 sound
setup
> > and an IR head tracker would be a LOT less 'spensive than 3 screens or a
> > projector.

> Steve, I can't seem to cope with look left and right buttons. I need
> straight ahead of my head to be, well, straight ahead !

> To be honest the 3 screen thing can pretty much be done with PCs destined
> for the skip, for GPL at least. If you have gone through any kind of
upgrade
> path over the years the odd Voodoo or Rendition card are probably still
> gathering dust and that is all you really need. The peripheral screens are
> exactly that, the quality can be pretty low. Not sure what you would need
> for GTR (even if it can be done).

> It is a bit of a hassle though :)

> Cheers
> Tony

> GTR comes w. built-in support for IR Tracker (or whatever it's called):
> $119, cheap.

> > > Jeez, Tony, if yer gonna look for a h/w solution, a decent 5.1 sound
> setup
> > > and an IR head tracker would be a LOT less 'spensive than 3 screens or
a
> > > projector.

> > Steve, I can't seem to cope with look left and right buttons. I need
> > straight ahead of my head to be, well, straight ahead !

> > To be honest the 3 screen thing can pretty much be done with PCs
destined
> > for the skip, for GPL at least. If you have gone through any kind of
> upgrade
> > path over the years the odd Voodoo or Rendition card are probably still
> > gathering dust and that is all you really need. The peripheral screens
are
> > exactly that, the quality can be pretty low. Not sure what you would
need
> > for GTR (even if it can be done).

> > It is a bit of a hassle though :)

> > Cheers
> > Tony

> ive run GTR on an nVidia 6800gt in 2560x720 across 2 16:9 projectors, and
> that is pretty amazing. the card did a great job on the gfx and it upped
the
> immersion factor immensly. gtr supported it, as did nr2003, alas f1c didnt
> like it here.

> 300 quid for the 6800gt

> 3000 quid for 2 projectors (!)

> fun = priceless

> pez

> > GTR comes w. built-in support for IR Tracker (or whatever it's called):
> > $119, cheap.

> > > > Jeez, Tony, if yer gonna look for a h/w solution, a decent 5.1 sound
> > setup
> > > > and an IR head tracker would be a LOT less 'spensive than 3 screens
or
> a
> > > > projector.

> > > Steve, I can't seem to cope with look left and right buttons. I need
> > > straight ahead of my head to be, well, straight ahead !

> > > To be honest the 3 screen thing can pretty much be done with PCs
> destined
> > > for the skip, for GPL at least. If you have gone through any kind of
> > upgrade
> > > path over the years the odd Voodoo or Rendition card are probably
still
> > > gathering dust and that is all you really need. The peripheral screens
> are
> > > exactly that, the quality can be pretty low. Not sure what you would
> need
> > > for GTR (even if it can be done).

> > > It is a bit of a hassle though :)

> > > Cheers
> > > Tony