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F12000 flat out POOR programing!

Sal V

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Sal V » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

Well I've just done a major computer upgrade and F1-2000 still won't run
well in a decent resolution(1024x768). My new machine is a Athlon-800 with a
ELSA GeForce-2 GTS and while all other sims/games went through the roof,
F1-2000 still is a DOG! Also tried the GeForce-2 in a PIII650E with even
slower results.

This tells me that it's just the program itself not being optimized to take
advantage of today's hardware. Oh well, maybe next time.

Sal V.

Iain Mackenzi

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Iain Mackenzi » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

Try tweaking the graphics options a bit more. Runs at about 25fps on my

before many times, it seems that Geforce and TNT cards suffer more than
Voodoo on F12K for reasons yet unknown.
Iain


Simon Brow

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Simon Brow » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

There's never been any doubt in my mind that this game was rushed out by EA
before Image Space Incorporated had finished optimizing their code, rather
like Ultima 9.  Just confirms what most of us already knew about EA.
But anyway, have you tried using the windowed mode fix?  Edit config.ini in
your main F1 2000 folder and change WindowedMode=0 to 1.  This can give a
big performance boost (although it shouldn't do really).
Sjon Stigte

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Sjon Stigte » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00


a P3 - 600 with 128 mb RAM and F1 2000 really gained lotsa FPS...

With the 450 mhz and 64 mb RAM it all turned into a freaking slide show when
I started at the back of the grid... Yesterday evening I tried f1 2000 for
the first time on the upgraded machine and it runs great.. I started at the
back of the grid at the Nurburgring and with 22 cars, of which 10 visible it
ran really smooth, no hickups at all....

The GeForce's don't seem to be handling the game to well... Question will or
this is due to bad game programming or due to bad GeForce drivers....

-- Sjon


Hena H?kk?ne

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Hena H?kk?ne » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

Iain,

I think you missed the point. With Sal's (and yours) machinery one would
_think_ that ANY sim could be run with max. details. And please don't give
me that ***about F1 2000 being released for future HW. Besides, 25 fps is
not that much. To me, it's unacceptably slow.

Hena


>Try tweaking the graphics options a bit more. Runs at about 25fps on my

>before many times, it seems that Geforce and TNT cards suffer more than
>Voodoo on F12K for reasons yet unknown.
>Iain



>> Well I've just done a major computer upgrade and F1-2000 still won't run
>> well in a decent resolution(1024x768). My new machine is a Athlon-800
with
>a
>> ELSA GeForce-2 GTS and while all other sims/games went through the roof,
>> F1-2000 still is a DOG! Also tried the GeForce-2 in a PIII650E with even
>> slower results.

>> This tells me that it's just the program itself not being optimized to
>take
>> advantage of today's hardware. Oh well, maybe next time.

>> Sal V.

Kankki

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Kankki » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00



I think same, 25 is not enough FPS with F1 sim,
I like F1 2000 very much but i must race only with 5 AI drivers but i want
full grid.

-Jani Kankaanp??-

Slic

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Slic » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

Besides the game itself sucks this ain't no sim!

--
Oli
BeoRocket Racing
http://www.racesimcentral.net/


> Iain,

> I think you missed the point. With Sal's (and yours) machinery one would
> _think_ that ANY sim could be run with max. details. And please don't give
> me that ***about F1 2000 being released for future HW. Besides, 25 fps
is
> not that much. To me, it's unacceptably slow.

> Hena


> >Try tweaking the graphics options a bit more. Runs at about 25fps on my

> >before many times, it seems that Geforce and TNT cards suffer more than
> >Voodoo on F12K for reasons yet unknown.
> >Iain



> >> Well I've just done a major computer upgrade and F1-2000 still won't
run
> >> well in a decent resolution(1024x768). My new machine is a Athlon-800
> with
> >a
> >> ELSA GeForce-2 GTS and while all other sims/games went through the
roof,
> >> F1-2000 still is a DOG! Also tried the GeForce-2 in a PIII650E with
even
> >> slower results.

> >> This tells me that it's just the program itself not being optimized to
> >take
> >> advantage of today's hardware. Oh well, maybe next time.

> >> Sal V.

Steven Crook-Dawkin

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Steven Crook-Dawkin » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

I admire your patience --- I'd chuck F1 2000 straight in the bin along with
anything with "Need For Speed" in the title.

Geezz, is it really worth
gutting your PC and emptying your bank account just to see the adverts
on the side of Schumacher's car? GP 2 runs fine on my P 2 -350 thank
you very much, I'll bet the AI of the other cars is better too.

SCGT - only good thing to come out of EA.


> Well I've just done a major computer upgrade and F1-2000 still won't run
> well in a decent resolution(1024x768). My new machine is a Athlon-800 with a
> ELSA GeForce-2 GTS and while all other sims/games went through the roof,
> F1-2000 still is a DOG! Also tried the GeForce-2 in a PIII650E with even
> slower results.

> This tells me that it's just the program itself not being optimized to take
> advantage of today's hardware. Oh well, maybe next time.

> Sal V.

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Gregor Vebl

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Gregor Vebl » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

Then what exactly does qualify as a sim for you?

-Gregor


> Besides the game itself sucks this ain't no sim!

> --
> Oli
> BeoRocket Racing
> http://www.beorocket.co.yu/

Slic

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Slic » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

Something that represents what it simulates as real as possible!

Which in this case EA Sports failed to do (not saying that it can't be fun
to play). I guess it pisses me off big time when a "game" is not completed
and when all little things are not taken care off! The frame rate for
instance! I also think that all other (serious) F1 simulators have more
value as a sim! therefore I think more fun to play!
I'm not going to start comparing it to GPL since I also don't think it's
useful to go down the road and keep ***in' how no "sim" comes close to
GPL! No! Specially a F1 sim that simulates a modern single seater!  But all
things need to be in place for a game to satisfy me! And I think I can
consider my self as a sim ***?

I had much fun with GP2, spent so much time with F1RS (have bought a wheel
coz of it), Nascar series from Pappy,GPL, and most recently SBK 2K. I hope
this choice doesn't discredit me as a "sim racer", but F1 2000 gets a mild 5
out of 10 from me !

--
Oli
BeoRocket Racing
http://www.racesimcentral.net/


> Then what exactly does qualify as a sim for you?

> -Gregor


> > Besides the game itself sucks this ain't no sim!

> > --
> > Oli
> > BeoRocket Racing
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Colin Harri

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Colin Harri » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

Not *quite* true about SCGT being the only one....but near enough!

I know this is an old argument, but I find it amazing that the same company
(ok, distributor) can put out two games, using the same track, yet make one
of them horrendously wrong. SBK2000, for instance, seems to have the
parabolica right, but the F1 2k track has the tiniest of straights halfway
round the bend...I've posted before about this, and got some help (thank you
all), but I'm very much of the "thanks for the game, but come back when
you've fixed it" brigade. Runs like a pig on mine, which is to be expected
of my system, but a mate has it, P3 550, all that jazz, and it runs like
poop on his too, regardless of 3d card (tried mine and his).
 A shame...

--

Colin Harris
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> I admire your patience --- I'd chuck F1 2000 straight in the bin along
with
> anything with "Need For Speed" in the title.

> Geezz, is it really worth
> gutting your PC and emptying your bank account just to see the adverts
> on the side of Schumacher's car? GP 2 runs fine on my P 2 -350 thank
> you very much, I'll bet the AI of the other cars is better too.

> SCGT - only good thing to come out of EA.


> > Well I've just done a major computer upgrade and F1-2000 still won't run
> > well in a decent resolution(1024x768). My new machine is a Athlon-800
with a
> > ELSA GeForce-2 GTS and while all other sims/games went through the roof,
> > F1-2000 still is a DOG! Also tried the GeForce-2 in a PIII650E with even
> > slower results.

> > This tells me that it's just the program itself not being optimized to
take
> > advantage of today's hardware. Oh well, maybe next time.

> > Sal V.

> --
> Steven Crook-Dawkins - Research Assistant - University of York.

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Slic

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Slic » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

Believe me SBK is worth buying and playing! and it came outa EA!
Rest of their stuff is garbage material I agree...

--
Oli
BeoRocket Racing
http://www.beorocket.co.yu/


> I admire your patience --- I'd chuck F1 2000 straight in the bin along
with
> anything with "Need For Speed" in the title.

> Geezz, is it really worth
> gutting your PC and emptying your bank account just to see the adverts
> on the side of Schumacher's car? GP 2 runs fine on my P 2 -350 thank
> you very much, I'll bet the AI of the other cars is better too.

> SCGT - only good thing to come out of EA.



Coli

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Coli » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

The problem is not with the game or Image Space.
The problem is EA.
They obviously pressured the developers to release the game before it was
ready and we can all see the result.
There are many bugs (AI being the obvious one) and the graphics are nowhere
near optimized.
Hopefully Image Space are working on a patch as we speak =)
...Colin


Toni Lassi

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Toni Lassi » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00



That's because _they_ _don't_ _make_ _anything_. A giant distributor
like EA is most likely to publish a whole load of indifferent balony,
and once in a while, a gem or two.

Dave Henri

F12000 flat out POOR programing!

by Dave Henri » Fri, 12 May 2000 04:00:00

  While both SBK2K and F12k are produced by EA, the teams designing,
building, and programming them are totally different with probably ZERO
interaction.  It one thing to say SB2K got it right, but that doesn't
mean the ISI team building F12k can use the tracks and blueprints that
allowed the SBK team to do their work.
dave henrie

> Not *quite* true about SCGT being the only one....but near enough!

> I know this is an old argument, but I find it amazing that the same company
> (ok, distributor) can put out two games, using the same track, yet make one
> of them horrendously wrong. SBK2000, for instance, seems to have the
> parabolica right, but the F1 2k track has the tiniest of straights halfway
> round the bend...I've posted before about this, and got some help (thank you
> all), but I'm very much of the "thanks for the game, but come back when
> you've fixed it" brigade. Runs like a pig on mine, which is to be expected
> of my system, but a mate has it, P3 550, all that jazz, and it runs like
> poop on his too, regardless of 3d card (tried mine and his).
>  A shame...

> --

> Colin Harris
> ColinHarris in N3/NL

> http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm
> ICQ 25485061



> > I admire your patience --- I'd chuck F1 2000 straight in the bin along
> with
> > anything with "Need For Speed" in the title.

> > Geezz, is it really worth
> > gutting your PC and emptying your bank account just to see the adverts
> > on the side of Schumacher's car? GP 2 runs fine on my P 2 -350 thank
> > you very much, I'll bet the AI of the other cars is better too.

> > SCGT - only good thing to come out of EA.


> > > Well I've just done a major computer upgrade and F1-2000 still won't run
> > > well in a decent resolution(1024x768). My new machine is a Athlon-800
> with a
> > > ELSA GeForce-2 GTS and while all other sims/games went through the roof,
> > > F1-2000 still is a DOG! Also tried the GeForce-2 in a PIII650E with even
> > > slower results.

> > > This tells me that it's just the program itself not being optimized to
> take
> > > advantage of today's hardware. Oh well, maybe next time.

> > > Sal V.

> > --
> > Steven Crook-Dawkins - Research Assistant - University of York.

> >  Email Disclaimer
> > ----------------------
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> > the author, and should not be attributed to the
> > University of York, BAE SYSTEMS or any
> > other party.


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