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by **John Simmon** » Wed, 29 May 2002 19:46:59

On Saturday's race:

"Its frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after
Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race
to the line with Jeff Gordon. "Its pretty obvious
that the Fords are the *** race car with the
changes NASCAR has made to them. Its frustrating
because they gave that to them to make them get
there. They didnt work for it."

This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST
majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT
car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that
all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and
I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted
in poor track position.

The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better
pit stops, and had more luck than the rest.

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by **John Pancoas** » Wed, 29 May 2002 23:12:52

Yep. He's always been a MAJOR whiner IMO. Guess that's why he and Pasta
Boy get along so well<G>

-John

by **Mitch Alatorr** » Wed, 29 May 2002 23:59:11

The exact reason why Nascar needs to dump the "faux" mfg body shapes and
make the switch to a single car body and use stickers that identify make.
Unfortunately I believe Nascar likes the "control" they get using the
current system.

Singling out the #20 team as whiners is where you lose me. Hell the biggest
whiner in the history of Nascar was Earnhardt.

Mitch

by **Eldre** » Thu, 30 May 2002 00:51:20

>On Saturday's race:

> "Its frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after
> Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race
> to the line with Jeff Gordon. "Its pretty obvious
> that the Fords are the *** race car with the
> changes NASCAR has made to them. Its frustrating
> because they gave that to them to make them get
> there. They didnt work for it."

I'm so tired of the constant ***ing and whining about the 'advantages' of the
other car. I want to ask them "If it's so much better, why didn't YOU choose
it?!?" If the car of choice is Ford, then the others need to get their act
together. As long as every manufacturer follows the regulations for car
construction, leave them alone. No, NASCAR changes something to help the
Chevys, then the Ford guys complain. So then NASCAR throws a bone to Ford,
then Dodge complains. Stupid - the constant rule changes during the season are
a waste of money and time.
Whatever happened to "race what ya brung"? Sheesh...

Eldred
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by **Phillip Malphrus J** » Thu, 30 May 2002 02:44:44

The problem is that NASCAR tinkers with the cars before they ever get on the
track. If NASCAR would give basic dimensions for the cars, and say go build
it and leave it alone from that point, there would be no problem. They need
to go back to following the street car templates with basic car/spoiler
widths and heights and that would fix the problem. If you dont like how your
car is performing, build a better one kind of deal, but it has to match the
street car.

Phillip

Simmons

> >On Saturday's race:

> > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after
> > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race
> > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious
> > that the Fords are the *** race car with the
> > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating
> > because they gave that to them to make them get
> > there. They didn't work for it."

> I'm so tired of the constant ***ing and whining about the 'advantages'
of the
> other car. I want to ask them "If it's so much better, why didn't YOU
choose
> it?!?" If the car of choice is Ford, then the others need to get their
act
> together. As long as every manufacturer follows the regulations for car
> construction, leave them alone. No, NASCAR changes something to help the
> Chevys, then the Ford guys complain. So then NASCAR throws a bone to
Ford,
> then Dodge complains. Stupid - the constant rule changes during the
season are
> a waste of money and time.
> Whatever happened to "race what ya brung"? Sheesh...

> Eldred
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by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 30 May 2002 03:44:06

Actually, they pretty much did/are. A year or two ago when the "Iroc"
debate got heated, it was swept under the rug..........and Nascar did what
they wanted to anyway, with little fanfare/press, which was make virtually
identical bodies.
The Dodge is actually a Taurus variant, not from Dodge at all, i.e.

-John

> The exact reason why Nascar needs to dump the "faux" mfg body shapes and
> make the switch to a single car body and use stickers that identify make.
> Unfortunately I believe Nascar likes the "control" they get using the
> current system.

> Singling out the #20 team as whiners is where you lose me. Hell the
biggest
> whiner in the history of Nascar was Earnhardt.

> Mitch

> > On Saturday's race:

> > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after
> > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race
> > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious
> > that the Fords are the *** race car with the
> > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating
> > because they gave that to them to make them get
> > there. They didn't work for it."

> > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST
> > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT
> > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that
> > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and
> > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted
> > in poor track position.

> > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better
> > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest.

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by **Tom Osbo** » Thu, 30 May 2002 03:43:38

Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said

by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 30 May 2002 03:48:23

The same kind of ***ing took place when they were too :)

-John

> Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said

> > On Saturday's race:

> > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after
> > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race
> > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious
> > that the Fords are the *** race car with the
> > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating
> > because they gave that to them to make them get
> > there. They didn't work for it."

> > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST
> > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT
> > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that
> > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and
> > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted
> > in poor track position.

> > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better
> > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest.

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by **Tom Osbo** » Thu, 30 May 2002 04:30:12

true but then it's a mfg issue...not nascars :)

> The same kind of ***ing took place when they were too :)

> -John

> > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said

> > > On Saturday's race:

> > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after
> > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race
> > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious
> > > that the Fords are the *** race car with the
> > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating
> > > because they gave that to them to make them get
> > > there. They didn't work for it."

> > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the
VAST
> > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT
> > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that
> > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race,
and
> > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted
> > > in poor track position.

> > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better
> > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest.

> > > --
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by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 30 May 2002 06:53:25

That's true. Definately agree anyway; make 'em more stock. Body, engine,
the works. Petty predicted adding spoilers and dams to the cars would turn
into a nightmare :)

-John

> true but then it's a mfg issue...not nascars :)

> > The same kind of ***ing took place when they were too :)

> > -John

> > > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said

> > > > On Saturday's race:

> > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after
> > > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race
> > > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious
> > > > that the Fords are the *** race car with the
> > > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating
> > > > because they gave that to them to make them get
> > > > there. They didn't work for it."

> > > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the
> VAST
> > > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on
THAT
> > > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe
that
> > > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race,
> and
> > > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that
resulted
> > > > in poor track position.

> > > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had
better
> > > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest.

> > > > --
> > > > =========================================================
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by **John Simmon** » Thu, 30 May 2002 06:54:21

It's not the 20 *team*, it's Zipadelli. He's whining about shit that
doesn't matter. Four Fords finish in the top 5 - big deal, a Chevy led
most of the freakin race. I'm willing to bet that if he Stewarty had
finished 1st and the next nine cars across the line were Fords, we
wouldn't hear a peep out of the little shit.

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by **jason moy** » Thu, 30 May 2002 07:51:05

I'd like to find a post-race interview with Bobby Allison where he
blamed his performances in the AMC's on NASCAR. :)

Jason

> The same kind of ***ing took place when they were too :)

> -John

> > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said

> > > On Saturday's race:

> > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after
> > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race
> > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious
> > > that the Fords are the *** race car with the
> > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating
> > > because they gave that to them to make them get
> > > there. They didn't work for it."

> > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST
> > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT
> > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that
> > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and
> > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted
> > > in poor track position.

> > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better
> > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest.

> > > --
> > > =========================================================
> > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends
> > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 30 May 2002 09:24:58

Who said anyone was blaming Nascar ? :) I meant ***ing about one car,
or car part, gave an advantage.

-John

> I'd like to find a post-race interview with Bobby Allison where he
> blamed his performances in the AMC's on NASCAR. :)

> Jason

> > The same kind of ***ing took place when they were too :)

> > -John

> > > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said

> > > > On Saturday's race:

> > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after
> > > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race
> > > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious
> > > > that the Fords are the *** race car with the
> > > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating
> > > > because they gave that to them to make them get
> > > > there. They didn't work for it."

> > > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the
VAST
> > > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on
THAT
> > > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe
that
> > > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race,
and
> > > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that
resulted
> > > > in poor track position.

> > > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had
better
> > > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest.

> > > > --
> > > > =========================================================
> > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends
> > > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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> > > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity"
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by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 30 May 2002 09:32:13

p.s. Matadors bah, he should have tried a Pacer :)

-John

> I'd like to find a post-race interview with Bobby Allison where he
> blamed his performances in the AMC's on NASCAR. :)

> Jason

> > The same kind of ***ing took place when they were too :)

> > -John

> > > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said

> > > > On Saturday's race:

> > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after
> > > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race
> > > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious
> > > > that the Fords are the *** race car with the
> > > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating
> > > > because they gave that to them to make them get
> > > > there. They didn't work for it."

> > > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the
VAST
> > > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on
THAT
> > > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe
that
> > > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race,
and
> > > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that
resulted
> > > > in poor track position.

> > > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had
better
> > > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest.

> > > > --
> > > > =========================================================
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by **Tim** » Thu, 30 May 2002 20:04:58

>Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said

Yea, it'd be a real hoot watching 170 horsepower, front wheel drive
cars navigate the super speedways at 80mph.

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