Although indeed quite vexing, it was not what I was getting at. See reply to
Sebastien.
Jan.
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Although indeed quite vexing, it was not what I was getting at. See reply to
Sebastien.
Jan.
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Once again: my comment was not about counter steering. Seeing as I'm forced
to explain this is no longer going to be funny, but read what you originally
posted...
So, presumably, you to go left on your bike, you first steer to the right,
which makes "the car" (presumably your car, back home in the garage) lean to
the left, which in turn allows the bike to go through the turn by itself.
Rather strange if you ask me... ;-)
Jan.
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going back to the bike sim that drives like a car statement, are we
following you now Jan? My first comment was probably focus'd on the
finality(sp?) of his counter-steering statement...you can't turn WITHOUT CS.
I think that since many riders don't even know what CS is, they can't use it
everytime. Your body, however, may know more about the laws of physics than
your mind. While I had to learn to countersteer, I never had to learn to
lean into a turn. I suspect that even if we are not physically yanking on
the opposite bar, we are inducing some countersteer by beginning to lean or
shift our weight as we start a turn.
Perhaps that's Seb's point.
Dave Henrie
<yet another counting steering explanation which I understand and agree with
snipped>
I give up.... you guys aren't even hearing the sonic boom of my point
passing over your heads.
Jan. ;-)
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I think GP500 is pretty good, actually. it's far from being GPL,
sure, but in general, when you "do stuff", you get the right sort of
results.
no bike these days. too bleeding expensive. used to race 600s,
though I'll admit I wasnt particularly good at it. :)
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Gunnar
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Gunnar
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> "Dave Henrie" wrote...
> > <snip> My first comment was probably focus'd on the
> > finality(sp?) of his counter-steering statement...
> <yet another counting steering explanation which I understand and agree with
> snipped>
> I give up.... you guys aren't even hearing the sonic boom of my point
> passing over your heads.
> Jan. ;-)
> =---
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
no insult intended to french men
just french drivers
:-)))
> >> Weird bikes you got there in France.... ;-)
> > Actually he's partially correct. You don't have to start a turn by
> Why partially ? I'm totaly correct, i'm driving motrcycle for some
> years, i tried some racing bike on racing tracks.
> You can't take a turn WITOUT counter-steer, except when you are almost
> stoped.
Of course.
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-asbjxrn
>> Actually he's partially correct. You don't have to start a turn by
>> counter-steering,(actually a tug on the opposite side of the handlebars in
>> relation to which direction you wish to turn) but if you do, it initiates
>> the weight transfer that tiny bit quicker and thus speeds your turn. A
>> handy gimic that most road racers have learned. Convincing a street rider
>> that it works is sometimes difficult.
>it's close to impossible. I do insist that everybody does it this way
>though, conscios or not. steering with body weight is just too slow. :)
A friend of mine has a SBK racing training at laguna seca at the SBK
schools, and they had a motorbike with 2 steering, one was working
and the other was jsut a fixed pol on the fuel tank. They had to make
the motorbike turn using the fixed pol , and by leaning their body.
Weel, the motorbike didn't turn at all ;o) The gyroscopic effect was
too strong.
> >> Actually he's partially correct. You don't have to start a turn by
> >> counter-steering,(actually a tug on the opposite side of the handlebars
in
> >> relation to which direction you wish to turn) but if you do, it
initiates
> >> the weight transfer that tiny bit quicker and thus speeds your turn. A
> >> handy gimic that most road racers have learned. Convincing a street
rider
> >> that it works is sometimes difficult.
> >it's close to impossible. I do insist that everybody does it this way
> >though, conscios or not. steering with body weight is just too slow. :)
> correct ! ;o)
> A friend of mine has a SBK racing training at laguna seca at the SBK
> schools, and they had a motorbike with 2 steering, one was working
> and the other was jsut a fixed pol on the fuel tank. They had to make
> the motorbike turn using the fixed pol , and by leaning their body.
> Weel, the motorbike didn't turn at all ;o) The gyroscopic effect was
> too strong.
can't say I understand why, though.
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Gunnar
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FJ?SE!
it's perfectly possible to steer without counter-steering. try
steering the bike without holding the handlebars. you'll see. :)
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Gunnar
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David G Fisher