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by **Colin Harri** » Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:00:00

..lives about 15 miles from me - an acquaintance of mine's a good friend of
his (services his car, if you believe that). So last weekend he was in the
local chippy, two months time he'll be banging around all the famous tracks.
20 years old! Did you hear his contract details? Geez, nice work if you can
get it. Useless info: his father's a car nut, hence his first name (remember
the great Jensen Interceptor?)
So what do the Americans think of his appointment? Another slap in the eye
for CART? To be fair, Michael Andretti, Cheever and Zanardi were hardly
roaring successes...yet Mansell went straight into CART like falling off a
log. I'm not intentionally trying to get up the American's noses over this,
but is the standard so much worse in CART?

--

Colin Harris
Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **ymenar** » Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:00:00

There is no relations between an American and Button getting a wheel with
Williams.

CART is not an US racing-only series. I think you forgot major driver from
CART : Jacques Villeneuve. He obviously makes up for any bad driver the
CART series gave to F1.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <emend>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **Davi** » Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:00:00

And Mario Andretti who won a world championship against the likes of Niki
Lauda.

Dave

> > So what do the Americans think of his appointment?

> There is no relations between an American and Button getting a wheel with
> Williams.

> > Another slap in the eye
> > for CART?

> CART is not an US racing-only series. I think you forgot major driver
from
> CART : Jacques Villeneuve. He obviously makes up for any bad driver the
> CART series gave to F1.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <emend>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...

> "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **Rob** » Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:00:00

FYI, the fastest way to offend a Canadian (i.e. me) is to call him/her a
"colonial" :)

> I'll grant you Mario, albeit a long time ago, but surely the jury's still
> out on Jacques (and no offence to my colonial Canadian cousins)? I reckon
> even James Feeney could have sent that car to a championship that year..

> --

> Colin Harris
> Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
> http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm

> > And Mario Andretti who won a world championship against the likes of
Niki
> > Lauda.

> > Dave

> > > > So what do the Americans think of his appointment?

> > > There is no relations between an American and Button getting a wheel
> with
> > > Williams.

> > > > Another slap in the eye
> > > > for CART?

> > > CART is not an US racing-only series. I think you forgot major driver
> > from
> > > CART : Jacques Villeneuve. He obviously makes up for any bad driver
the
> > > CART series gave to F1.

> > > --
> > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <emend>
> > > -- May the Downforce be with you...

> > > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
> realise
> > > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **Stev** » Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:00:00

That colonial Canadian cousin of yours (JV) is still
considered by many to be one of the top three drivers
in the world today, and thats not just here in Canada.
The way you are looking at F1 is that the best car always
wins no matter who drives it and I don't think thats always
true. The car and the driver go hand in hand, put Michael
Andretti in the Mclaren and I still think he could not win
the championship. I'm sure if you put Michael Schumacher
in the Minardi he could not win the championship either.
The bottom line is you have to have both, a great car and
a great driver. I think the last truly great American F1 driver
was Mario Andretti but that was quite some time ago.
Steve!

> I'll grant you Mario, albeit a long time ago, but surely the jury's still
> out on Jacques (and no offence to my colonial Canadian cousins)? I reckon
> even James Feeney could have sent that car to a championship that year..

> --

> Colin Harris
> Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
> http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm

> > And Mario Andretti who won a world championship against the likes of
Niki
> > Lauda.

> > Dave

> > > > So what do the Americans think of his appointment?

> > > There is no relations between an American and Button getting a wheel
> with
> > > Williams.

> > > > Another slap in the eye
> > > > for CART?

> > > CART is not an US racing-only series. I think you forgot major driver
> > from
> > > CART : Jacques Villeneuve. He obviously makes up for any bad driver
the
> > > CART series gave to F1.

> > > --
> > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <emend>
> > > -- May the Downforce be with you...

> > > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
> realise
> > > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **Jeffrey Haa** » Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:00:00

but surely the jury's still
well, he sure could bang wheels much better with Schumi than that
Hill guy.

by **Matt & Ton** » Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Was Cheever in CART??? Man, I've been following CART since my first Indy 500
back in '80 (the last 500 I attended being... Anyone??? That's right, 1995...
but that's a different can o' worms!) and I can't seem to recall a guy by the
name of Cheever being in Victory Circle. I've heard the name Cheever in the IRL,
but never in CART. Are you *sure*?!?

Yeah, there was a *bit* of sarcasm in that statement...

Warlock!

> ..lives about 15 miles from me - an acquaintance of mine's a good friend of
> his (services his car, if you believe that). So last weekend he was in the
> local chippy, two months time he'll be banging around all the famous tracks.
> 20 years old! Did you hear his contract details? Geez, nice work if you can
> get it. Useless info: his father's a car nut, hence his first name (remember
> the great Jensen Interceptor?)
> So what do the Americans think of his appointment? Another slap in the eye
> for CART? To be fair, Michael Andretti, Cheever and Zanardi were hardly
> roaring successes...yet Mansell went straight into CART like falling off a
> log. I'm not intentionally trying to get up the American's noses over this,
> but is the standard so much worse in CART?

> --

> Colin Harris
> Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
> http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm

by **Chris Cavi** » Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Well, my nose isn't really that big anyway. :)

I think the grip and braking characteristics of the two different
formulas are just that much different. I'm beginning to think that
F1 cars are far enough removed in handling characteristic from CART
cars that it approaches the difference between NASCAR and British
Touring Cars (I'm making light, of course). The cars look similar
from the exterior, but they're so different it's like learning to
drive all over again.

That said, I'm also willing to wager that the European F1 drivers
also have an edge because the farm system in Europe is so much better
at grooming F1 drivers than the farm system is in the USA. The
interest in open-wheeled racing just isn't the same here in the USA.

-Chris-

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by **Colin Harri** » Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I'll grant you Mario, albeit a long time ago, but surely the jury's still
out on Jacques (and no offence to my colonial Canadian cousins)? I reckon
even James Feeney could have sent that car to a championship that year..

--

Colin Harris
Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm

> And Mario Andretti who won a world championship against the likes of Niki
> Lauda.

> Dave

> > > So what do the Americans think of his appointment?

> > There is no relations between an American and Button getting a wheel
with
> > Williams.

> > > Another slap in the eye
> > > for CART?

> > CART is not an US racing-only series. I think you forgot major driver
> from
> > CART : Jacques Villeneuve. He obviously makes up for any bad driver the
> > CART series gave to F1.

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <emend>
> > -- May the Downforce be with you...

> > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
realise
> > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **Mark Seer** » Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:00:00

To be fair, Michael Andretti, Cheever and Zanardi were hardly

Better ask Mark Blundell <G>

MS

by **Davi** » Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Andretti came from a time when drivers drove many different forms of
racing, and that is the difference. Racing today with Nascar, Cart, and
even Dirt cars have become so different to drive making the changes can be
hard. Look at Steve Kinser a great WoO sprint car driver. Well he has
always gotten waxed at Indy. Robbie Gordon got hammered in Nascar and he
was fast when he ran for Roush in IMSA years back. Andretti is one the few
guys who won in Nascar, Champ cars, Formula 1, Sports Cars and even Dirt
cars. During that time tho Formula 1 guys raced more then just Formula 1.
Now it have become so specialized that even Busch GN owners don't want
their guys doing one off rides in wC since it takes the edge off of them.
Hell could you see Scheumaher trying a Champ car then going back to Formula
1 then next weekend or day. It won't happen.

Dave

by **Colin Harri** » Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:00:00

oh, that's not the fastest way...

--

Colin Harris
Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm

> FYI, the fastest way to offend a Canadian (i.e. me) is to call him/her a
> "colonial" :)

> > I'll grant you Mario, albeit a long time ago, but surely the jury's
still
> > out on Jacques (and no offence to my colonial Canadian cousins)? I
reckon
> > even James Feeney could have sent that car to a championship that year..

> > --

> > Colin Harris
> > Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
> > http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm

> > > And Mario Andretti who won a world championship against the likes of
> Niki
> > > Lauda.

> > > Dave

> > > > > So what do the Americans think of his appointment?

> > > > There is no relations between an American and Button getting a wheel
> > with
> > > > Williams.

> > > > > Another slap in the eye
> > > > > for CART?

> > > > CART is not an US racing-only series. I think you forgot major
driver
> > > from
> > > > CART : Jacques Villeneuve. He obviously makes up for any bad driver
> the
> > > > CART series gave to F1.

> > > > --
> > > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <emend>
> > > > -- May the Downforce be with you...

> > > > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
> > realise
> > > > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Tires and brakes laddie!
CART drivers get those wonderfully old fashioned Slick Tires. The
wiggly efoners us groovy tires. The F1 brakes are similar to using the
anchor from the Titanic.
Remember tho that CART cars have a more powerful engine and less Aero
downforce. They do still have tunnel bottoms tho. And the car is
heavier. Add all these factors in and you have a widening gap between
the way a CHAMP car drives and the way a Formula 1 car handles.
As far as Zanardi's performance. On several occasions he turned
faster laps than his team-mate, but it took him much longer at each
track to acheive those times. And the F1 he came back to was certainly
not very resembling the F1 he left.
And Andretti. Lessee. When he joined, they didn't have a car to
test, didn't have an engine, didn't have a Number One driver and the
package that eventually was produced was lackluster at best. Senna
held Mclaren hostage that year. Really crippled any chance for Mikey to
do well.
Jacques? almost twice world champion, the man who brought asymetrical
setups back to F1. His Williams was a mere shadow of the active
suspensioned Turbocharged cars that FW produced BEFORE JV got there.
'Ol Nige had the best motor in CART that year(FORD), the best chassis,
and the best crew-cheif. Read this week's new editon of Autoweek to
find out one reason Red 5 won the champeenship with Newman-Haas.
And don't forget it was Nige who got outfoxed at the Brickyard by a
couple of Cart boys.

I'm not defending the lads, just showing that the series are diverging
at an alarming rate.
dave henrie

> ..lives about 15 miles from me - an acquaintance of mine's a good friend of
> his (services his car, if you believe that). So last weekend he was in the
> local chippy, two months time he'll be banging around all the famous tracks.
> 20 years old! Did you hear his contract details? Geez, nice work if you can
> get it. Useless info: his father's a car nut, hence his first name (remember
> the great Jensen Interceptor?)
> So what do the Americans think of his appointment? Another slap in the eye
> for CART? To be fair, Michael Andretti, Cheever and Zanardi were hardly
> roaring successes...yet Mansell went straight into CART like falling off a
> log. I'm not intentionally trying to get up the American's noses over this,
> but is the standard so much worse in CART?

> --

> Colin Harris
> Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
> http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm

by **Edwin Solhei** » Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik Button's first name is in fact JensOn and
not JensEn...

The car tho, was (also afaik) named Jensen..

Maybe his dad thought differently? :-)

Ed Solheim

by **Steve Ferguso** » Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:00:00

: And Mario Andretti who won a world championship against the likes of Niki
: Lauda.

A lot of people think he's past it, but I will be watching the LeMans this
year with fascination. He's still up to the task, and it seems the Audis
are. Considering he was lapping the Ganassi 2-seater champ car just a few
seconds off the pole time at laguna, the old guy is still quick. And he
has had an amazing career that does deserve respect, despite all the
detractors' comments (it was all the Lotus wing car blah blah blah).

Stephen

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