rec.autos.simulators

Do I just need a password?

Do I need to be added to some server list?

Thanks!

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Robert Huggins

Read all about how to participate here:

http://rascar.racesimcentral.com

And yes, we should plug that site more often... sorry 'bout that.

Jan.
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hi :)

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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

If RASCAR insists on refusing you wanting to race with them, and you really did Want to race, then they'll never see me back.

I have been accused of cheating so many times it's like water; you always have to look at the source.  Some people here once thought
Grandy and I were the same person, until we both showed up for the same race lol.

I like John, and I honestly appreciate what he and Eldred do here, but did he take the time to ask you personally where you are with
all this?  Or did he just say no to the effort to do the right thing, and left it up to hype.

What's ironic for me is I was accused of cheating in the old days right here in this ng and RASCAR never bothered me about it.
Maybe you're just more famous then I am :)))

Seriously, it really is disappointing to me, considering the state of online racing today.

If every online racer was kicked out based on reputation, or past grievances with now defunct and self-acknowledged inadequacies,
most the people I consider quality racers would never see the light of day.  I remember the time Chris Shearborn was kicked out of a
league based on a simple rule that allow all the members to vote on a new driver after the first 3 races.  After Chris won the pole,
led the most laps, and won the race his first 3 times out, the 'rule' suddenly let all the back markers say 'No Thanks' to getting
their butts handed to them.

While I've quit more leagues rather than deal with cheaters then I care to mention, I've been on the other side too; The one where a
league admin decides something is too personal for him/them to deal with.

Still, it's a real shame when a group like RASCAR becomes just another league, since it stood for so many things I admired.

Btw, to anyone else who cares, I've never met you either :)

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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

There's a saying business, 'Never be the first and try not to be the last.'  All I know is whatever Robert is capable of, after all
these years he's still getting smacked around for being the 'first'.

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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

First, his request for admittance pretty much said "I don't know if
I'll ever find the time to race, but I'd like to reserve a car
number."  Well, we want people that are going to participate on a
regular basis, not once every other month if they happen to think
about it.  It's not fair to the others in the group that *are* more
dedicated that want to drive with a known set of drivers in a
controlled environment without having to join a real league.  The
whole reason RASCAR was even formed was because we didn't want to
race in pickup races against cheaters and wreckers.

Second, he was the center of one of the biggest online cheating
discussions in RAS. His claims that he was "testing for papy" were
never (to my knowledge) verified by anyone at Papy.  Was he in fact
testing for Papy? I don't know. Did he take the "special executable"
and race outside the claimed auspices of Papy testing? I don't know.  
Did a lot of peoiple think he was?  Yes.  Do you really want to get
beat in a race with someone with that kind of history?  No, because
you'll never quite be sure if he beat you fair and square.

Nobody in RASCAR ever accused you of that, did they?  I'm asking
because I honestly don't know if it happened.

That had crossed my mind. :)

I decided on the side of caution, Tim.  You can't fault me for that,
and it would be very narrowminded of you to do so.

Sometimes it's not good to be famous.

That's not nearly the same thing, Tim. You and Mike regulalry hand
our butts to us when you care to show up, and all we've ever said is
"How do you do that?". I've often wondered how you can possibly have  
fun racing against us if you're always running up front and kicking
our collective asses. :)

We also refused Don Wilshe's application for different (yet similar)
reasons.  We're not out to turn anyone down out of spite, and I don't
appreciate the implication that we're trying to be an elitist group.
If I had never heard of huggins, I would probably have let him in,
but I did, the memory of it stuck out, and I reacted accordingly. I
stand by my claim that I did it for the good of the group.

It's a tough spot for me to be in, but if I have to make a call...  I'd lean
towards giving him a chance.  I can see both sides, and I've changed my mind a
couple of times.  I hope I don't regret that decision...

Eldred
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Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my
homepage)
Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett

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Don Burnette

    Pete

As far as Chris's deal went, It is not a public league and he was not
accused of cheating. I won't get into specifics but it had nothing to do
with whether or not Chris may be cheating and I believe that point was
stressed.

really did Want to race, then they'll never see me back.
have to look at the source.  Some people here once thought
he take the time to ask you personally where you are with
here in this ng and RASCAR never bothered me about it.
online racing today.
grievances with now defunct and self-acknowledged inadequacies,
day.  I remember the time Chris Shearborn was kicked out of a
driver after the first 3 races.  After Chris won the pole,
suddenly let all the back markers say 'No Thanks' to getting
mention, I've been on the other side too; The one where a
league, since it stood for so many things I admired.