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Computer Problems

Glen W. Haa

Computer Problems

by Glen W. Haa » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

When you flash your BIOS, your old BIOS image is USUALLY saved on to the floppy
disk that you booted to.

You can take a look at the readme file that you will get when you download the
BIOS upgrade.

At this point, you don't sound too comfortable with the upgrade, so let me ask
this question.  Is there anything wrong with your PC as it is that would make
you think that the BIOS might help solve it?

Myself, I upgrade my BIOS a few times a year, because I'm upgrading to new
hardware components all of the time.  But, most people, don't do it, because it
isn't necissary unless your having problems.

That's just my opinion

Glen W. Haag





> > >Well, I found an updated BIOS for my computer at the NEC website, but my
> > >concerns are about the effects of installing the newer BIOS.  The SB
> Live!
> > >Technician also thinks it could be a problem with the BIOS.  Basically,
> is
> > >there a realistic chance that flashing the BIOS could cause serious
> problems
> > >to my
> > >computer??  I asked the technician where I purchased the computer, but he
> > >refused to do it.  That being said, I spoke to a couple of other people,
> a
> > >technician at work and another technician I know, and they both stated
> it's
> > >not usually a problem provided I have the right update.

> > >If the update doesn't eliminate my computer freezing problem, my plans
> are
> > >to remove the new soundcard and return it, going back to my original
> > >soundcard.  At that time, I would also be formatting my hard-drive.  By
> > >doing this, formatting the hard-drive, would it also reset the BIOS to
> the
> > >original settings, or is flashing the BIOS something where once it's
> done,
> > >that's it, no turning back??

> > >Lastly, if someone would be willing, I could provide you with my computer
> > >serial number and some specific system info and maybe someone could
> > >generously check to verify that I do in fact have the correct bios...

> > You should create a boot floppy (go to Add/Remove Programs and click the
> > Startup Disk tab).  You should add your BIOS flash program to the disk,
> > along with the new BIOS.  You boot from the floppy and before flashing the
> > new BIOS you definitely save the old (current) BIOS as a backup.  The
> > flash prog should give you this option.  That way if you don't like the
> > new BIOS you can go back to the old one.

> > Joe

> From the website where I'll be getting the BIOS:

> "This file will update the BIOS on the 870 motheboard to version P06-0007.
> Download this file to your Desktop, execute it and follow the onscreen
> instructions.
> Running this file will create a bootable update diskette. This process
> requires a diskette in drive A."

> Where exactly do I find my setups for the old BIOS....

> Dave

Dave St.Ong

Computer Problems

by Dave St.Ong » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Well, the reason for the upgrade is that since I've installed my SBLive!
soundcard, the keyboard keeps freezing up on me.  I tried everything from
moving the soundcard to a different pci slot, ordering a new soundcard,
updating the drivers, checking the IRQ's, spending $130 to get the card
installed, not once, but twice, formatted my hard-drive, to virtually every
other conceivable idea to get this thing working.  The freezing only occurs
when I use the keyboard, not the steering wheel or the joystick.  I have
switched the keyboard, to no avail.  The problem ONLY occurs with the SB
Live! card, not with my onboard soundcard, which has been disabled in the
CMOS.  I could return the soundcard, but I also ordered speakers for $400,
specifically to use with the soundcard.  Not to mention I like the setup,
aside from the freezing.

That being said, I am concerned about flashing the bios.

Dave



> When you flash your BIOS, your old BIOS image is USUALLY saved on to the
floppy
> disk that you booted to.

> You can take a look at the readme file that you will get when you download
the
> BIOS upgrade.

> At this point, you don't sound too comfortable with the upgrade, so let me
ask
> this question.  Is there anything wrong with your PC as it is that would
make
> you think that the BIOS might help solve it?

> Myself, I upgrade my BIOS a few times a year, because I'm upgrading to new
> hardware components all of the time.  But, most people, don't do it,
because it
> isn't necissary unless your having problems.

> That's just my opinion

> Glen W. Haag






> > > >Well, I found an updated BIOS for my computer at the NEC website, but
my
> > > >concerns are about the effects of installing the newer BIOS.  The SB
> > Live!
> > > >Technician also thinks it could be a problem with the BIOS.
Basically,
> > is
> > > >there a realistic chance that flashing the BIOS could cause serious
> > problems
> > > >to my
> > > >computer??  I asked the technician where I purchased the computer,
but he
> > > >refused to do it.  That being said, I spoke to a couple of other
people,
> > a
> > > >technician at work and another technician I know, and they both
stated
> > it's
> > > >not usually a problem provided I have the right update.

> > > >If the update doesn't eliminate my computer freezing problem, my
plans
> > are
> > > >to remove the new soundcard and return it, going back to my original
> > > >soundcard.  At that time, I would also be formatting my hard-drive.
By
> > > >doing this, formatting the hard-drive, would it also reset the BIOS
to
> > the
> > > >original settings, or is flashing the BIOS something where once it's
> > done,
> > > >that's it, no turning back??

> > > >Lastly, if someone would be willing, I could provide you with my
computer
> > > >serial number and some specific system info and maybe someone could
> > > >generously check to verify that I do in fact have the correct bios...

> > > You should create a boot floppy (go to Add/Remove Programs and click
the
> > > Startup Disk tab).  You should add your BIOS flash program to the
disk,
> > > along with the new BIOS.  You boot from the floppy and before flashing
the
> > > new BIOS you definitely save the old (current) BIOS as a backup.  The
> > > flash prog should give you this option.  That way if you don't like
the
> > > new BIOS you can go back to the old one.

> > > Joe

> > From the website where I'll be getting the BIOS:

> > "This file will update the BIOS on the 870 motheboard to version
P06-0007.
> > Download this file to your Desktop, execute it and follow the onscreen
> > instructions.
> > Running this file will create a bootable update diskette. This process
> > requires a diskette in drive A."

> > Where exactly do I find my setups for the old BIOS....

> > Dave

Nathan Engl

Computer Problems

by Nathan Engl » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00


> Well, I found an updated BIOS for my computer at the NEC website, but my
> concerns are about the effects of installing the newer BIOS.  The SB Live!
> Technician also thinks it could be a problem with the BIOS.  Basically, is
> there a realistic chance that flashing the BIOS could cause serious problems
> to my computer??

    I've updated dozens of motherboards - no lost patients
yet.  In nearly every case it's been the solution that
fixed some trouble I was having (the most common problem
recently has been recognizing drives larger than 8GB, but
sometimes other things are affected too).

    He was just being snotty.  BIOS upgrades are reasonably
painless these days.  I've still got my old EPROM burner
(what you had to use to upgrade BIOS in the old days), and,
friend, FLASH memory is a wonderful thing.

    Correct.  Just make sure the update matches your
existing BIOS and go to it.

    Flashing the BIOS would stick.  To change it back you'd
have to explicitly flash in the old version.

    The only serial number that really matters is the one
for the BIOS itself.  Typically what I do is read off the
serial number from the BIOS and then do a web search on
any parts of it that seem to be distinctive.

--
Nathan Engle              
Shop Steward               Electron Juggler's Guild, Local #1

"Some Assembly Required"

Dave St.Ong

Computer Problems

by Dave St.Ong » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Well, I referred to the system specs on my computer, and it stated that the
motherboard was an MB870, and the website stated the same thing, with the
same model type, when I provided my serial number.  At the website it
provide a "version P06-0007", but my existing version is "SEP0511A" from the
specs.  I bought my computer in Nov 98, but the new bios is dated July
99.....

Dave



> > Well, I found an updated BIOS for my computer at the NEC website, but my
> > concerns are about the effects of installing the newer BIOS.  The SB
Live!
> > Technician also thinks it could be a problem with the BIOS.  Basically,
is
> > there a realistic chance that flashing the BIOS could cause serious
problems
> > to my computer??

>     I've updated dozens of motherboards - no lost patients
> yet.  In nearly every case it's been the solution that
> fixed some trouble I was having (the most common problem
> recently has been recognizing drives larger than 8GB, but
> sometimes other things are affected too).

> >  I asked the technician where I purchased the computer, but he
> > refused to do it.

>     He was just being snotty.  BIOS upgrades are reasonably
> painless these days.  I've still got my old EPROM burner
> (what you had to use to upgrade BIOS in the old days), and,
> friend, FLASH memory is a wonderful thing.

> >  That being said, I spoke to a couple of other people, a
> > technician at work and another technician I know, and they both stated
it's
> > not usually a problem provided I have the right update.

>     Correct.  Just make sure the update matches your
> existing BIOS and go to it.

> > If the update doesn't eliminate my computer freezing problem, my plans
are
> > to remove the new soundcard and return it, going back to my original
> > soundcard.  At that time, I would also be formatting my hard-drive.  By
> > doing this, formatting the hard-drive, would it also reset the BIOS to
the
> > original settings, or is flashing the BIOS something where once it's
done,
> > that's it, no turning back??

>     Flashing the BIOS would stick.  To change it back you'd
> have to explicitly flash in the old version.

> > Lastly, if someone would be willing, I could provide you with my
computer
> > serial number and some specific system info and maybe someone could
> > generously check to verify that I do in fact have the correct bios...

>     The only serial number that really matters is the one
> for the BIOS itself.  Typically what I do is read off the
> serial number from the BIOS and then do a web search on
> any parts of it that seem to be distinctive.

> --
> Nathan Engle
> Shop Steward               Electron Juggler's Guild, Local #1

> "Some Assembly Required"

seffe

Computer Problems

by seffe » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hey Dave .......... make sure you print out your existing bios settings...
since everything maybe reset to default after you flash...
Also , if you try and get an error about not enough memory , and it looks
like you have nothing loading in dos ( doublespace, and something else like
it which can be running in the background without you realizing it,can't
remember) use the /tiny command in the command line. That's what I had to
do. The flash worked without a problem after that.
good luck


>Well, I referred to the system specs on my computer, and it stated that the
>motherboard was an MB870, and the website stated the same thing, with the
>same model type, when I provided my serial number.  At the website it
>provide a "version P06-0007", but my existing version is "SEP0511A" from
the
>specs.  I bought my computer in Nov 98, but the new bios is dated July
>99.....

>Dave




>> > Well, I found an updated BIOS for my computer at the NEC website, but
my
>> > concerns are about the effects of installing the newer BIOS.  The SB
>Live!
>> > Technician also thinks it could be a problem with the BIOS.  Basically,
>is
>> > there a realistic chance that flashing the BIOS could cause serious
>problems
>> > to my computer??

>>     I've updated dozens of motherboards - no lost patients
>> yet.  In nearly every case it's been the solution that
>> fixed some trouble I was having (the most common problem
>> recently has been recognizing drives larger than 8GB, but
>> sometimes other things are affected too).

>> >  I asked the technician where I purchased the computer, but he
>> > refused to do it.

>>     He was just being snotty.  BIOS upgrades are reasonably
>> painless these days.  I've still got my old EPROM burner
>> (what you had to use to upgrade BIOS in the old days), and,
>> friend, FLASH memory is a wonderful thing.

>> >  That being said, I spoke to a couple of other people, a
>> > technician at work and another technician I know, and they both stated
>it's
>> > not usually a problem provided I have the right update.

>>     Correct.  Just make sure the update matches your
>> existing BIOS and go to it.

>> > If the update doesn't eliminate my computer freezing problem, my plans
>are
>> > to remove the new soundcard and return it, going back to my original
>> > soundcard.  At that time, I would also be formatting my hard-drive.  By
>> > doing this, formatting the hard-drive, would it also reset the BIOS to
>the
>> > original settings, or is flashing the BIOS something where once it's
>done,
>> > that's it, no turning back??

>>     Flashing the BIOS would stick.  To change it back you'd
>> have to explicitly flash in the old version.

>> > Lastly, if someone would be willing, I could provide you with my
>computer
>> > serial number and some specific system info and maybe someone could
>> > generously check to verify that I do in fact have the correct bios...

>>     The only serial number that really matters is the one
>> for the BIOS itself.  Typically what I do is read off the
>> serial number from the BIOS and then do a web search on
>> any parts of it that seem to be distinctive.

>> --
>> Nathan Engle
>> Shop Steward               Electron Juggler's Guild, Local #1

>> "Some Assembly Required"

capa

Computer Problems

by capa » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Dave,

Before you do anything rash, please download and install the latest SBLIVE
package that contains all the drivers and other stuff-I think it is 3.1 now and
is on the sblive website.

This cleared up a myriad of problems I was having in other games, including
Superbike2000 which crashed on me every time I tried to start a race.  I know it
sounds crazy, but give it a shot.

Chris


> Well, I referred to the system specs on my computer, and it stated that the
> motherboard was an MB870, and the website stated the same thing, with the
> same model type, when I provided my serial number.  At the website it
> provide a "version P06-0007", but my existing version is "SEP0511A" from the
> specs.  I bought my computer in Nov 98, but the new bios is dated July
> 99.....

> Dave




> > > Well, I found an updated BIOS for my computer at the NEC website, but my
> > > concerns are about the effects of installing the newer BIOS.  The SB
> Live!
> > > Technician also thinks it could be a problem with the BIOS.  Basically,
> is
> > > there a realistic chance that flashing the BIOS could cause serious
> problems
> > > to my computer??

> >     I've updated dozens of motherboards - no lost patients
> > yet.  In nearly every case it's been the solution that
> > fixed some trouble I was having (the most common problem
> > recently has been recognizing drives larger than 8GB, but
> > sometimes other things are affected too).

> > >  I asked the technician where I purchased the computer, but he
> > > refused to do it.

> >     He was just being snotty.  BIOS upgrades are reasonably
> > painless these days.  I've still got my old EPROM burner
> > (what you had to use to upgrade BIOS in the old days), and,
> > friend, FLASH memory is a wonderful thing.

> > >  That being said, I spoke to a couple of other people, a
> > > technician at work and another technician I know, and they both stated
> it's
> > > not usually a problem provided I have the right update.

> >     Correct.  Just make sure the update matches your
> > existing BIOS and go to it.

> > > If the update doesn't eliminate my computer freezing problem, my plans
> are
> > > to remove the new soundcard and return it, going back to my original
> > > soundcard.  At that time, I would also be formatting my hard-drive.  By
> > > doing this, formatting the hard-drive, would it also reset the BIOS to
> the
> > > original settings, or is flashing the BIOS something where once it's
> done,
> > > that's it, no turning back??

> >     Flashing the BIOS would stick.  To change it back you'd
> > have to explicitly flash in the old version.

> > > Lastly, if someone would be willing, I could provide you with my
> computer
> > > serial number and some specific system info and maybe someone could
> > > generously check to verify that I do in fact have the correct bios...

> >     The only serial number that really matters is the one
> > for the BIOS itself.  Typically what I do is read off the
> > serial number from the BIOS and then do a web search on
> > any parts of it that seem to be distinctive.

> > --
> > Nathan Engle
> > Shop Steward               Electron Juggler's Guild, Local #1

> > "Some Assembly Required"

SHONNE

Computer Problems

by SHONNE » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00


>Well, I found an updated BIOS for my computer at the NEC website, but my
>concerns are about the effects of installing the newer BIOS.  The SB Live!
>Technician also thinks it could be a problem with the BIOS.

NEC typically uses ***motherboards.  NEC techs would know if their boards
work with SB Live! cards or not (depends on how old their boards are).
Updating the BIOS most likely will not change a thing on an NEC board as far
as IRQ and DMA settings for Audio are concerned.

Only if you install the wrong BIOS, causing your computer to never boot
again.

Smart guy.  He knew to stay out of it.  Don't need the store's manager
giving you a new computer for free if something goes wrong.  A BIOS's readme
file will explain why it is needed.  If the SB Live! is not mentioned in the
readme, the new BIOS won't make a difference.

They're correct.  They should have also asked why you even waste your time
with an NEC system.

Formatting the hard drive will erase your files, not alter your BIOS
settings.  A good flash program will make a backup of your existing BIOS
software before flashing a new version so you can flash the old version back
if needed (which is never).

NEC can answer that one.  Oops!  You have an NEC.  Maybe they can't (won't).

--
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Dave St.Ong

Computer Problems

by Dave St.Ong » Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Just at the website...it's version 3.0, which I already have on my computer.
Thanks, and that being said, I reinstalled the drivers from the website,
hoping maybe something was wrong the first time...

Dave


> Dave,

> Before you do anything rash, please download and install the latest SBLIVE
> package that contains all the drivers and other stuff-I think it is 3.1
now and
> is on the sblive website.

> This cleared up a myriad of problems I was having in other games,
including
> Superbike2000 which crashed on me every time I tried to start a race.  I
know it
> sounds crazy, but give it a shot.

> Chris


> > Well, I referred to the system specs on my computer, and it stated that
the
> > motherboard was an MB870, and the website stated the same thing, with
the
> > same model type, when I provided my serial number.  At the website it
> > provide a "version P06-0007", but my existing version is "SEP0511A" from
the
> > specs.  I bought my computer in Nov 98, but the new bios is dated July
> > 99.....

> > Dave




> > > > Well, I found an updated BIOS for my computer at the NEC website,
but my
> > > > concerns are about the effects of installing the newer BIOS.  The SB
> > Live!
> > > > Technician also thinks it could be a problem with the BIOS.
Basically,
> > is
> > > > there a realistic chance that flashing the BIOS could cause serious
> > problems
> > > > to my computer??

> > >     I've updated dozens of motherboards - no lost patients
> > > yet.  In nearly every case it's been the solution that
> > > fixed some trouble I was having (the most common problem
> > > recently has been recognizing drives larger than 8GB, but
> > > sometimes other things are affected too).

> > > >  I asked the technician where I purchased the computer, but he
> > > > refused to do it.

> > >     He was just being snotty.  BIOS upgrades are reasonably
> > > painless these days.  I've still got my old EPROM burner
> > > (what you had to use to upgrade BIOS in the old days), and,
> > > friend, FLASH memory is a wonderful thing.

> > > >  That being said, I spoke to a couple of other people, a
> > > > technician at work and another technician I know, and they both
stated
> > it's
> > > > not usually a problem provided I have the right update.

> > >     Correct.  Just make sure the update matches your
> > > existing BIOS and go to it.

> > > > If the update doesn't eliminate my computer freezing problem, my
plans
> > are
> > > > to remove the new soundcard and return it, going back to my original
> > > > soundcard.  At that time, I would also be formatting my hard-drive.
By
> > > > doing this, formatting the hard-drive, would it also reset the BIOS
to
> > the
> > > > original settings, or is flashing the BIOS something where once it's
> > done,
> > > > that's it, no turning back??

> > >     Flashing the BIOS would stick.  To change it back you'd
> > > have to explicitly flash in the old version.

> > > > Lastly, if someone would be willing, I could provide you with my
> > computer
> > > > serial number and some specific system info and maybe someone could
> > > > generously check to verify that I do in fact have the correct
bios...

> > >     The only serial number that really matters is the one
> > > for the BIOS itself.  Typically what I do is read off the
> > > serial number from the BIOS and then do a web search on
> > > any parts of it that seem to be distinctive.

> > > --
> > > Nathan Engle
> > > Shop Steward               Electron Juggler's Guild, Local #1

> > > "Some Assembly Required"

Dave St.Ong

Computer Problems

by Dave St.Ong » Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Although I have yet to get a solution to my problem, the efforts of all of
you are greatly appreciated, as many of you have taken the time to respond
to this problem....once again, Thank you very much, regardless of the
outcome.

Dave


> Dave,

> Before you do anything rash, please download and install the latest SBLIVE
> package that contains all the drivers and other stuff-I think it is 3.1
now and
> is on the sblive website.

> This cleared up a myriad of problems I was having in other games,
including
> Superbike2000 which crashed on me every time I tried to start a race.  I
know it
> sounds crazy, but give it a shot.

> Chris


> > Well, I referred to the system specs on my computer, and it stated that
the
> > motherboard was an MB870, and the website stated the same thing, with
the
> > same model type, when I provided my serial number.  At the website it
> > provide a "version P06-0007", but my existing version is "SEP0511A" from
the
> > specs.  I bought my computer in Nov 98, but the new bios is dated July
> > 99.....

> > Dave




> > > > Well, I found an updated BIOS for my computer at the NEC website,
but my
> > > > concerns are about the effects of installing the newer BIOS.  The SB
> > Live!
> > > > Technician also thinks it could be a problem with the BIOS.
Basically,
> > is
> > > > there a realistic chance that flashing the BIOS could cause serious
> > problems
> > > > to my computer??

> > >     I've updated dozens of motherboards - no lost patients
> > > yet.  In nearly every case it's been the solution that
> > > fixed some trouble I was having (the most common problem
> > > recently has been recognizing drives larger than 8GB, but
> > > sometimes other things are affected too).

> > > >  I asked the technician where I purchased the computer, but he
> > > > refused to do it.

> > >     He was just being snotty.  BIOS upgrades are reasonably
> > > painless these days.  I've still got my old EPROM burner
> > > (what you had to use to upgrade BIOS in the old days), and,
> > > friend, FLASH memory is a wonderful thing.

> > > >  That being said, I spoke to a couple of other people, a
> > > > technician at work and another technician I know, and they both
stated
> > it's
> > > > not usually a problem provided I have the right update.

> > >     Correct.  Just make sure the update matches your
> > > existing BIOS and go to it.

> > > > If the update doesn't eliminate my computer freezing problem, my
plans
> > are
> > > > to remove the new soundcard and return it, going back to my original
> > > > soundcard.  At that time, I would also be formatting my hard-drive.
By
> > > > doing this, formatting the hard-drive, would it also reset the BIOS
to
> > the
> > > > original settings, or is flashing the BIOS something where once it's
> > done,
> > > > that's it, no turning back??

> > >     Flashing the BIOS would stick.  To change it back you'd
> > > have to explicitly flash in the old version.

> > > > Lastly, if someone would be willing, I could provide you with my
> > computer
> > > > serial number and some specific system info and maybe someone could
> > > > generously check to verify that I do in fact have the correct
bios...

> > >     The only serial number that really matters is the one
> > > for the BIOS itself.  Typically what I do is read off the
> > > serial number from the BIOS and then do a web search on
> > > any parts of it that seem to be distinctive.

> > > --
> > > Nathan Engle
> > > Shop Steward               Electron Juggler's Guild, Local #1

> > > "Some Assembly Required"


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