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GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

T Galv

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by T Galv » Sat, 07 Sep 1996 04:00:00

 Like many drivers out there I am amazed at some of the fast GP2  lap
times that are posted on the internet (how can they possibly do those
times) After a few weeks research of setups and such Ive finally found
out how they are being done. All that these so called fast drivers are
doing is setting up a fast almost uncontrolable car and then do lap
after lap untill one sticks .
eg By taking all the wing of the back and bumping up the gear ratio
you can achieve a top speed of around 330 km/h  about 207 mp/h.
Keeping the front wing at 8 or 9  and moving brake bias forward will
give you all stopping and turning you need. The car however will be
very light in the tail this can be helped by using oposite lock help .
All thats left to do now is turn up the graphics to slow down the
action and go around and around and around and around and around
untill you stick a fast lap without crashing.
 What a load of shit, I couldent be bothered . That is not what GP2 is
about .There is no way anyone could seriously race with one of these
setups its just a crash waiting to happen.
 As far as im concerned dont bother with fast laps. Racing is full of
compromize what you loose in the straights you will gain somewhere
else in the race. For a true GP2 expierience dont modify the standard
setup to much, turn of all the help including traction and opposite
lock help and race at ace level .Who cares if your off the pace for a
while,  your learning the race craft and thats what its all about
 If you can win a 20 lap race from 10 th under these conditions then
that is an achievment
 It wont be long untill were all in the same race, the winners will be
the racers, not the one lap wonders
 some food for thought
              T.galvin

Gertjan Westene

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by Gertjan Westene » Sat, 07 Sep 1996 04:00:00


A little frustrated?

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Greg Cis

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by Greg Cis » Sat, 07 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Ummm... Many REAL F1 cars are setup for speed on the straights (and
very slippery in the turns).

At monza, My rear wing is set to 3, front wing is set to 10 (what ever the
default was). I hit 323 on the straights, and have done a 1:24.995. I mostly
get 1:25's and do not crash. The car is very controlable. On the straights,
I am redlining at 320, so I can bump 6th up another gear probably. I expect to
break 1:23 tonight :-)

Well yes, this is the bogus part. If people are really doing this, it would
suck. ie Purposely maxing out the CPU % to slow down the action. If anyone
would admit to doing this, I would admit to laugh right in their face. What
sissies. My CPU % is right about 117% most of the time. I have a P5-133 and
run in SVGA with everything maxed (and no clouds).

KiK19

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by KiK19 » Sat, 07 Sep 1996 04:00:00

I RACE with the same setup, just a little less Packer.
AND I'M ENYOING IT.
I have a hotlap of 1.21.6xx in Monza and I managed in a 50 % RACE
a good 1.25.8xx medium.
AH, and to the frame rate. I play it with 25.6+ in VGA, because with the
very low speed (yes I saw them), all my timing is gone. Fast laps come
from much training and a good setup. Nothing else.

ZIGGY

John Wallac

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by John Wallac » Mon, 09 Sep 1996 04:00:00


writes

For "couldn't be bothered", perhaps we should substitute "isn't
capable"? Or maybe "Jealous"? ;)

I have set some fast laps (current HOF2 record on Jerez) and know many
guys who have done other incredible laps such as Achim Trensz, Michael
Wollenschein, Markus Schordan, Ralf Tzschoppe, Georg Naujoks, Mark
Guest, etc etc etc. _NONE_ of these guys have set laps using the method
you describe of raising occupancy to slow the game down, and would
probably resent the implication that they "cheated".

It's true that it often takes a long time to do a really incredible lap,
but that's not "to make one stick" in an uncontrollable car, that's to
take a very controllable car which you have developed and make EVERY
corner as perfect as you can. Nothing to do with an uncontrollable
setup.

If what you say is true, how is it that these same people are winning
all of the league race also?

Cheers!
John

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Michael Knowle

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by Michael Knowle » Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:00:00


> I RACE with the same setup, just a little less Packer.
> AND I'M ENYOING IT.
> I have a hotlap of 1.21.6xx in Monza and I managed in a 50 % RACE
> a good 1.25.8xx medium.
> AH, and to the frame rate. I play it with 25.6+ in VGA, because with the
> very low speed (yes I saw them), all my timing is gone. Fast laps come
> from much training and a good setup. Nothing else.

I race with a setup only slightly changed from qualifying (more ground
clearance and less front wing to stop oversteer on worn tyres) and I
have a best lap of 1:21.121 and can regularly win races and set times
in the low 1:23.xxx sec laps in the race.  Anyone who says that people
are just getting quick lap times from running a one-lap wonder is a very
bitter person since (a) REAL teams in F1 do this all the time (b) There
is nothing wrong with doing it (hence the option to run 2 different
setups for each circuit) (c) Some people have more talent than others
(rather obviously it would seem).

Mike.

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Jesper Adolfsso

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by Jesper Adolfsso » Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:00:00


> I race with a setup only slightly changed from qualifying (more ground
> clearance and less front wing to stop oversteer on worn tyres) and I
> have a best lap of 1:21.121 and can regularly win races and set times
> in the low 1:23.xxx sec laps in the race.  Anyone who says that people
> are just getting quick lap times from running a one-lap wonder is a very
> bitter person since (a) REAL teams in F1 do this all the time (b) There
> is nothing wrong with doing it (hence the option to run 2 different
> setups for each circuit) (c) Some people have more talent than others
> (rather obviously it would seem).

> Mike.

> --

taken from: Why does spins always end up backwards ? (GP2)

You are definitely a steering help talent, maybee a opposite lock help
talent too.
Real F1 teams certainly use steering help :-)

/Jesper

Erik van der Grinte

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by Erik van der Grinte » Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:00:00


> <SNIP>
> It wont be long untill were all in the same race, the winners will be
> the racers, not the one lap wonders
>  some food for thought
>               T.galvin

With frontwing down to 9 and rearwing to 1 I am able to drive 1:23 at Monza for
let's say 10 laps in a row (no more fuell....). Topspeed is 328 kmh. I think I can
handle the car with this setup very well. I even can win a race with this setup
(playing level on semi-pro), laptimes during race 1:24-1:25.

Real race this year: topspeed over 330 kmh!
Very low rearwing!
Toptimes 1:25-1:26!

Winning a race is also a good setup for your car! (and not to crash like Damon)
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Jason Harriso

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by Jason Harriso » Wed, 11 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Sorry for following a followup, but the original has expired on me :-)


> Like many drivers out there I am amazed at some of the fast GP2  lap
> times that are posted on the internet (how can they possibly do those
> times) After a few weeks research of setups and such Ive finally found
> out how they are being done.

After a few weeks of research into setups, many people are lapping at
those fast times you're talking about rather than complaining about not
being able to achieve them.  Practice is required as well as research!

[garbage about cheating deleted]
Interesting enough, in it's own special way, the manual suggests
precisely these sorts of modifications.  What really needs to be done
is many laps practice and selecting the ideal line for you.
I can run 1:24s in practice at Monza now, and am still getting more
into advanced setups (Mad Catz wheel+pedals). The car was initially
a dog to control, but adjusting to find a balance and learning the ideal
turn in point, spot to graze the curb and the SMOOTH addition of
accelerator out of each corner makes me confident of reducing
that time some more.  It is the effort required in both setup
and driving a particular setup that makes the game so rewarding.

Why did you buy the game? Then again I hate the commando
missions in Command&Conquer :-)


Andrew Haig

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by Andrew Haig » Wed, 11 Sep 1996 04:00:00

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How fast is fast?

The following setup has acheived 1:21.664 in Free Race Practice at Monza, with
typical Processor Occupancy 98% on an AMD486DX50.

Front Wing: 14
Rear Wing:  1
Brake Bal.: 38.500 : (Cannot remember)

Gears:
1:      35
2:      40
3:      46
4:      52
5:      59
6:      65

Advanced Setup Level 2:
[Note: all settings are symmetrical}

Front Torsion/Roll Damper: 10000 lbs

Front
=====
Packer:         25
High Sp. D:     5
High Sp. R:     8
Low Sp. D:      13
Low Sp. R:      19
Spring Rate:    1100 lbs

Rear:
Packer:         49
High Sp. D:     5
High Sp. R:     6
Low Sp. D:      12
Low Sp. R:      17
Spring Rate:    1000 lbs

Rear Torsion/Roll Damper: 550 lbs

This setup is used with the standard Joystick control option in GP2.

Now, lets see how fast you can go with a half-decent setup...

- -- Andy
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Anton Norup Soerens

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by Anton Norup Soerens » Sun, 15 Sep 1996 04:00:00

: The following setup has acheived 1:21.664 in Free Race Practice at Monza, with
: typical Processor Occupancy 98% on an AMD486DX50.

Thanks for the detailed setup.
Would you (and everybody else) please also specify the driving aids settings
you are using when posting something like this. I assume you are using nothing
at all, but it would be nice to be sure.

Regards,
Anton Norup Sorensen

( Still at 1:28 in Monza with joystick and no driving aids :-P )

Andrew Haig

GP2 Fastest laps I dont give a shit

by Andrew Haig » Mon, 16 Sep 1996 04:00:00

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Norup Soerensen) writes:


> : The following setup has acheived 1:21.664 in Free Race Practice at Monza,
with
> : typical Processor Occupancy 98% on an AMD486DX50.

> Thanks for the detailed setup.
> Would you (and everybody else) please also specify the driving aids settings
> you are using when posting something like this. I assume you are using
nothing
> at all, but it would be nice to be sure.

> Regards,
> Anton Norup Sorensen

> ( Still at 1:28 in Monza with joystick and no driving aids :-P )

I completed that lap using Steering Help+Opp. Lock help only.

No SA? I cannot even drive it in a straight line without it! But
I use a small joystick with virtually no springs in it.

Please don't hassle me for any other setups. I don't really race anywhere
except Monza!

I still haven't heard from Microprose either...

- -- Andy
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