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Riverside anyone?

Andre Warrin

Riverside anyone?

by Andre Warrin » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Why is it that the most beautiful track available for GPL, Riverside,
is allmost never seen at VROC? Everytime when I host a Riverside race,
allmost nobody joins. When I choose a Monza or Spa race it's filled up
within minutes.

Riverside is such a perfect track for GPL, first some nice twisty
hey-is-this-the-Ring bends, then a long oh-no-it's-Spa straight,
perfect for slipstreaming, and to top it off a nice oops-it's-Bristol
banking!

People, this track alone is worth buying Nascar Legends!
BTW, I thought I was good with my 1.18 lap... untill I went to
Schubi's site and watched the 1.15 replay by Woeger...

Sigh...

The cover at Turn 1 has a wrong track map by the way, probably an
older version of Riverside?

Andre

don hodgdo

Riverside anyone?

by don hodgdo » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Andre, you can find my programme set for Riverside, with the correct track
map, as well as programmes for Long Beach, Fontana, Laguna Seca, Old Sears
Point and Phoenix on Bruce Kennewell's site:
http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm  ,scroll down to the
bottom of the page, or on the alt.binaries.simulators.autos newsgroup. I'll
be working the Long Beach Grand Prix this week but will continue with the
programmes when I return. I hop[e you enjoy<g>.
--
don

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Martin Granbe

Riverside anyone?

by Martin Granbe » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00



>Why is it that the most beautiful track available for GPL, Riverside,
>is allmost never seen at VROC? Everytime when I host a Riverside race,
>allmost nobody joins.

Probably cause not everyone have the track.

But I'll join if I'm online. I too think there are too few "converted
track races". Just as there are too few Mosport ones.

Elkhart Lake is another track which I think is great to race online,
but almost never hosted.

Cheers,

/Martin

Kevin Gavit

Riverside anyone?

by Kevin Gavit » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00


When I get below 1:30 I'll be happy to join you, if only to watch you
disapear into the afternoon sun. Right now I'm several seconds a lap faster
in a Super Bird than a Ferrari.

Riverside is certainly one of the all time great tracks though, and we're
all the poorer for its absence. Nice tacky condos though. So Cal really
needed a couple hundred acres more of those, don't you think?

john moor

Riverside anyone?

by john moor » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

i love riverside cause i was there in 70 and met AJ hisself
however, two lefts and two rights plus the esses don't make for a great
track to race on imo\
JM

> Why is it that the most beautiful track available for GPL, Riverside,
> is allmost never seen at VROC? Everytime when I host a Riverside race,
> allmost nobody joins. When I choose a Monza or Spa race it's filled up
> within minutes.

> Riverside is such a perfect track for GPL, first some nice twisty
> hey-is-this-the-Ring bends, then a long oh-no-it's-Spa straight,
> perfect for slipstreaming, and to top it off a nice oops-it's-Bristol
> banking!

> People, this track alone is worth buying Nascar Legends!
> BTW, I thought I was good with my 1.18 lap... untill I went to
> Schubi's site and watched the 1.15 replay by Woeger...

> Sigh...

> The cover at Turn 1 has a wrong track map by the way, probably an
> older version of Riverside?

> Andre

Andre Warrin

Riverside anyone?

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Riverside is no more?? When did the bastards kill it?
WHY???

Andre

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:57:23 -0400, "Kevin Gavitt"


>When I get below 1:30 I'll be happy to join you, if only to watch you
>disapear into the afternoon sun. Right now I'm several seconds a lap faster
>in a Super Bird than a Ferrari.

>Riverside is certainly one of the all time great tracks though, and we're
>all the poorer for its absence. Nice tacky condos though. So Cal really
>needed a couple hundred acres more of those, don't you think?

David Ewin

Riverside anyone?

by David Ewin » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00


> i love riverside cause i was there in 70 and met AJ hisself
> however, two lefts and two rights plus the esses don't make for a great
> track to race on imo.

I also love Riverside for nostalgia reasons (saw the '66, '67 and '68 Times
Grand Prix Can-Am races there).  I also think that it is a wonderful track
in its own right and was a quite the favorite with many drivers of the
era.  It has a nice combination of slow and fast corners. Unfortunately, we
only get the truncated version of the track in Nascar Legends (and now
GPL).

Check out what the full track looked like --

http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=6010&c=0

You'll notice the two extra short straights and the hairpin (turn 7) in the
middle of the lap.  This was a cool downhill, then uphill sequence.  I sure
wish we could drive this full track.

Dave Ewing

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David A. Ewing

*****************************************************

Brad Wils

Riverside anyone?

by Brad Wils » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

They killed it ages ago, to put up condos and houses and a mall.

Same thing happened to the Ontario track too.  Mostly the problem, I
think, was that they weren't able to make enough money to keep the
creditors at bay, and the value of the land went up so much that it made
more sense to sell out.

The new California Speedway is, btw, built near where the Ontario track
was, but on an old Steel Mill property that probably would take too much
work cleaning up to be economical to put a housing development on.  
Besides, anything NASCAR these days makes money hand over fist, too bad
many Americans don't appreciate non-oval racing.


says...

Eldre

Riverside anyone?

by Eldre » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00


writes:

Give me time...<g>

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Andre Warring

Riverside anyone?

by Andre Warring » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

He he, the track cover at the Turn 1 site is updated, but now it still
has the wrong layout :)

Andre




>> i love riverside cause i was there in 70 and met AJ hisself
>> however, two lefts and two rights plus the esses don't make for a great
>> track to race on imo.

>I also love Riverside for nostalgia reasons (saw the '66, '67 and '68 Times
>Grand Prix Can-Am races there).  I also think that it is a wonderful track
>in its own right and was a quite the favorite with many drivers of the
>era.  It has a nice combination of slow and fast corners. Unfortunately, we
>only get the truncated version of the track in Nascar Legends (and now
>GPL).

>Check out what the full track looked like --

>http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=6010&c=0

>You'll notice the two extra short straights and the hairpin (turn 7) in the
>middle of the lap.  This was a cool downhill, then uphill sequence.  I sure
>wish we could drive this full track.

>Dave Ewing

don hodgdo

Riverside anyone?

by don hodgdo » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Andre, here is a link to a Riverside program set that has the correct map
layout: http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm  It's my first
effort at an event program for GPL, and I'll probably go back and re-do it
at some time, but the map page should work for you.

The map in the Long Beach set is also correct for the converted ICR2
version.
--
don

"Getting hit by a meteorite is an accident...
  everything else is driver-error."


> He he, the track cover at the Turn 1 site is updated, but now it still
> has the wrong layout :)

> Andre




> >> i love riverside cause i was there in 70 and met AJ hisself
> >> however, two lefts and two rights plus the esses don't make for a great
> >> track to race on imo.

> >I also love Riverside for nostalgia reasons (saw the '66, '67 and '68
Times
> >Grand Prix Can-Am races there).  I also think that it is a wonderful
track
> >in its own right and was a quite the favorite with many drivers of the
> >era.  It has a nice combination of slow and fast corners. Unfortunately,
we
> >only get the truncated version of the track in Nascar Legends (and now
> >GPL).

> >Check out what the full track looked like --

> >http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=6010&c=0

> >You'll notice the two extra short straights and the hairpin (turn 7) in
the
> >middle of the lap.  This was a cool downhill, then uphill sequence.  I
sure
> >wish we could drive this full track.

> >Dave Ewing

don hodgdo

Riverside anyone?

by don hodgdo » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I still get a tear in my eye as I pass the site of the old place. I spent
years at that track, working, spectating, shooting and a very little bit of
racing, it was like home. I still can't believe they let it be plowed under.
Ontario was one thing, it hadn't been around long and it was obvious that it
was the wrong track in the wrong place and time, but Riverside was a
National Treasure which should have been nurtured and supported, not cast
aside by a bunch of bean countin' land developers.

rant over...yeah it's business, blah, blah, blah, I know...but I still miss
the place. Big thanks go out to Papy for giving us the first decent
simulation of the track and to Dave Noonan for making it better. I wonder if
he could do a "tires in the esses" patch for NL.

Now we need to get someone working on Turn 7-7a, it's like driving on your
favorite freeway on-ramp, over and over again...with no cops<g>. Here is a
link to a site that has a few old photos of Riverside in the Image Archive.
NASCAR fans might like the shot of Earnhart, Allison and Waltrip exiting
turn 8 together.  http://simracing.com/eta/

--
don

"Getting hit by a meteorite is an accident...
  everything else is driver-error."


> They killed it ages ago, to put up condos and houses and a mall.

> Same thing happened to the Ontario track too.  Mostly the problem, I
> think, was that they weren't able to make enough money to keep the
> creditors at bay, and the value of the land went up so much that it made
> more sense to sell out.

> The new California Speedway is, btw, built near where the Ontario track
> was, but on an old Steel Mill property that probably would take too much
> work cleaning up to be economical to put a housing development on.
> Besides, anything NASCAR these days makes money hand over fist, too bad
> many Americans don't appreciate non-oval racing.


> says...
> > Riverside is no more?? When did the bastards kill it?
> > WHY???

> > Andre
> > --


Alison Hin

Riverside anyone?

by Alison Hin » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I agree that Riverside is wonderful; it's one of the best tracks
available for GPL, IMHO.  I, too mourn the loss of the real Riverside,
and am very grateful to Papyrus and Dave Noonan for making it available
for us in NL and GPL.  I'm also enormously grateful to Dave Noonan for
making the extra effort to put in those tires along the esses!

For people who may be having trouble coming up with setups for Riverside
and/or the other new conversion tracks, I've posted all of my most
recent development setups on my Web site.

Go to the News page at http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com/gpl/ and look
for The X-Files.

Alison

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:56:54 -0700, "don hodgdon"


>I still get a tear in my eye as I pass the site of the old place. I spent
>years at that track, working, spectating, shooting and a very little bit of
>racing, it was like home. I still can't believe they let it be plowed under.
>Ontario was one thing, it hadn't been around long and it was obvious that it
>was the wrong track in the wrong place and time, but Riverside was a
>National Treasure which should have been nurtured and supported, not cast
>aside by a bunch of bean countin' land developers.

>rant over...yeah it's business, blah, blah, blah, I know...but I still miss
>the place. Big thanks go out to Papy for giving us the first decent
>simulation of the track and to Dave Noonan for making it better. I wonder if
>he could do a "tires in the esses" patch for NL.

>Now we need to get someone working on Turn 7-7a, it's like driving on your
>favorite freeway on-ramp, over and over again...with no cops<g>. Here is a
>link to a site that has a few old photos of Riverside in the Image Archive.
>NASCAR fans might like the shot of Earnhart, Allison and Waltrip exiting
>turn 8 together.  http://simracing.com/eta/

Alison



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Bob Thurma

Riverside anyone?

by Bob Thurma » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00

About a year ago I went out to what was Riverside raceway. About
75% of what was the track is empty land. Turn 6 is now a shopping
center. There is about 150 feet of the front straight I think is just
after the start finish line. Concrete wall outside and asphalt wall on
the inside.

Wish I had enough money to buy the property. I'd put up a
motorsport sports bar. Just build right over the last section,
put a glass top bar on top of the concrete wall. And of course
have about a dozen computers LAN'ed together for the weekly
league races.

Have sunday brunch and watch the latest GP (taped earlier
of course!).

But I could never come up with a good name for the place.

The Last Lap
The Finish Line
The Checked Flag
The Winners Circle

All seem a little tacky. Maybe something like The Virtual
Dricers Club?

buzard


> I agree that Riverside is wonderful; it's one of the best tracks
> available for GPL, IMHO.  I, too mourn the loss of the real Riverside,
> and am very grateful to Papyrus and Dave Noonan for making it available
> for us in NL and GPL.  I'm also enormously grateful to Dave Noonan for
> making the extra effort to put in those tires along the esses!

> For people who may be having trouble coming up with setups for Riverside
> and/or the other new conversion tracks, I've posted all of my most
> recent development setups on my Web site.

> Go to the News page at http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com/gpl/ and look
> for The X-Files.

> Alison

> On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:56:54 -0700, "don hodgdon"

> >I still get a tear in my eye as I pass the site of the old place. I spent
> >years at that track, working, spectating, shooting and a very little bit
of
> >racing, it was like home. I still can't believe they let it be plowed
under.
> >Ontario was one thing, it hadn't been around long and it was obvious that
it
> >was the wrong track in the wrong place and time, but Riverside was a
> >National Treasure which should have been nurtured and supported, not cast
> >aside by a bunch of bean countin' land developers.

> >rant over...yeah it's business, blah, blah, blah, I know...but I still
miss
> >the place. Big thanks go out to Papy for giving us the first decent
> >simulation of the track and to Dave Noonan for making it better. I wonder
if
> >he could do a "tires in the esses" patch for NL.

> >Now we need to get someone working on Turn 7-7a, it's like driving on
your
> >favorite freeway on-ramp, over and over again...with no cops<g>. Here is
a
> >link to a site that has a few old photos of Riverside in the Image
Archive.
> >NASCAR fans might like the shot of Earnhart, Allison and Waltrip exiting
> >turn 8 together.  http://simracing.com/eta/

> Alison



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Andre Warrin

Riverside anyone?

by Andre Warrin » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I saw them Don, they are excellent, but did you see the covers at Turn
1? Allthough not really historically accurate, they really are a piece
of art! Lots of babes, suddenly the wrong layout is not so important
anymore :)

Andre

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:27:35 -0700, "don hodgdon"


>Andre, here is a link to a Riverside program set that has the correct map
>layout: http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm  It's my first
>effort at an event program for GPL, and I'll probably go back and re-do it
>at some time, but the map page should work for you.

>The map in the Long Beach set is also correct for the converted ICR2
>version.
>--
>don


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