rec.autos.simulators

Everyone watching that race KNEW what Gordon was going to do to Ambrose.  No
doubt whatsoever.  Just like any idiot simracer (Fredrickson comes to mind)
he proves he's incapable of actually racing anything and proves it over and
over without real consequences.

It's way past time that Gordon's sponsors took action and it's up to
EVERYONE to let them know Robbie Gordon has NO business racing anything
EVER!  When sponsorship CAUSES the folks to stop buying their products the
money for this idiot will dry up as it should.

*** ROBBIE GORDON

You are seeming to grasp capitalism......

Wag
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  It's way past time that Gordon's sponsors took action and it's up to
  EVERYONE to let them know Robbie Gordon has NO business racing anything
  EVER!  When sponsorship CAUSES the folks to stop buying their products the
  money for this idiot will dry up as it should.

I haven't seen the event yet.  The way it was described to me sounds
like Gordon got screwed.  I'll try and find it on youtube to see what
really happened.

Pat Dotson

Great attempt at trolling......

  You are seeming to grasp capitalism......

  Wag
  -God, Guns, & Guts have kept America free, let's keep all three-
  Wegner FotografX
  OATAS Endurance Racing Team
  Viper Motorsports Stockcar Racing Team

    It's way past time that Gordon's sponsors took action and it's up to
    EVERYONE to let them know Robbie Gordon has NO business racing anything
    EVER!  When sponsorship CAUSES the folks to stop buying their products the
    money for this idiot will dry up as it should.

: > What a sad episode and an embarrassment to not only Nascar but EVERY
racer.
: > Robbie Gordon should not be sitting at Pocono he should be sitting for
life.
:
: I haven't seen the event yet.  The way it was described to me sounds
: like Gordon got screwed.  I'll try and find it on youtube to see what
: really happened.

Makes no difference.  Point is, he ignored Nascar's black flag under caution
directing him to stay behind the 33 car (12th place).  Instead, he stayed
right behind the leader, and then took him out when the race restarted.

I'm glad to see they penalized him heavily by making him sit out today's Cup
race.

True - though if things happened the way it was first described to me
then NASCAR would deserve a lot of the blame.

I'm still trying to fully understand what happened.  I mean, Gordon
was obviously taken out by Ambrose after passing him.  On the youtube
video you only see Gordon make a pass for the lead and then
immediately get taken out by Ambrose.  What led up to that isn't shown
on the video.  Ambrose's right rear corner was busted up by then - the
commentators even mentioned it, and that taking Gordon out might have
been payback.

Seems to me that the question is when did that last yellow come out.
According to the TV coverate the yellow was already out before all
that Gordon/Ambrose action took place.  Looks to me like Gordon should
have gotten second place back.  I don't know the NASCAR rule book, but
lot's of people say the rule is that if you spin during a yellow you
get your place back, and that it happens all the time.

Pat Dotson

I'm still trying to fully understand what happened.  I mean, Gordon
    Gordon passed Ambrose then got a bit loose (or was blocking) and Ambrose
did spin him. I thought that the full course yellow came out about the time
that Ambrose first made contact with Gordon. The corner yellow was out quite
a bit before the full course yellow. This is what is so confusing about the
whole thing. The corner yellows don't have anything to do with freezing the
field, although you must slow to a safe speed and there is no overtaking in
that corner. Gordon was put back to 12th place by Nascar as they said that
was his position after he resumed pace speed. That is when Gordon started
his 2yr old tirade. His spotter and crew chief both told him to go back to
his position and Gordon said "NO!". The big loser in this whole thing was
Ambrose. I really respect him for his comments and actions after all this.
My take on the whole thing is that Gordon's overall actions were detrimental
to the sport of racing, not just Nascar. I think he got off easy. I had
recorded the race and looked at the incident over and over and this is what
I saw. Of course, others may see it differently.

Ed

I suspect his pass came late, then he gets spun and loses a ton of
spots. NASCAR tells him to drop to 12th or so and he
loses his mind. How they in good conscience allowed that race to
resume without RG either in the proper spot or parked
is beyond me. The whole world knew he was going to spin Ambrose. Yet
NASCAR does nothing to prevent it and a result,
the driver, team and sponsor suffers.

Ridiculous decisions by NASCAR and RG, imo. Gordon should see some
stiffer penalties as well.

:How they in good conscience allowed that race to
: resume without RG either in the proper spot or parked
: is beyond me. The whole world knew he was going to spin Ambrose. Yet
: NASCAR does nothing to prevent it and a result,
: the driver, team and sponsor suffers.

I agree 100%.  They should have red flagged the race, and pulled him out of
the race if he wouldn't move to the proper position.

I was at the race (in T1) and the local/full course yellows were kind
of chaotic (actually the opening green flag didn't fly until half the
grid was past the starters stand), so nobody will ever know if Gordon
got past Ambrose cleanly or not, but it looked like the pass meant
Gordon was a lot slower out of the corner and Ambrose got a better
bite, racing incident in my mind.   Agree about the Gordon tantrum
thing after that.

Actually what really reminded me of sim racing was Patrick Carpentier,
right after he took the checker in 2nd he thru the car into a long
backwards spin for the fans just like most guys in our league do!

This is exactly my thoughts on the situation, Nascar had a chance BEFORE the
restart to do something about a driver who was intentionally flouting their
rules, and they did nothing. IMO, he should have been stopped on the track
and physically removed, if required, if he could not comply with a simple
request from race control.
As far as the restart with the big crash right behind the leaders, if you
watch the tape as Robby and Marcus go out of the frame, Robby has his bumper
right to Marcus' quarterpanel, and the next view from the cameras shows
Marcus repaying Robby, or, if you prefer, racing just like Robby was racing.
Robby did not get screwed, Marcus did.......Robby should have his card
pulled indefinitely. Pathetic all around.

ed