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Thinking about Canopus Total 3D

dhayd

Thinking about Canopus Total 3D

by dhayd » Tue, 11 Feb 1997 04:00:00

I was thinking about getting a Canopus Total 3D card.Does anyone out
there have any experience with this card?As of now I am running a
Dynamite 128 2meg card,on a pentium 133.How is the 2D performance of
the Canopus.Is it worth the extra $80.00?Any advice would be greatly
appreciated.

SimRaci

Thinking about Canopus Total 3D

by SimRaci » Wed, 12 Feb 1997 04:00:00

$80 bucks?...If you've already got the 128, then I would opt for
the Orchid Righteous...The performance is significantly better
than the Rendition stuff, and won't cost much more than the
Canopus.  The Orchid will plug-in right next to the 128, and you
can have the best of both worlds.  :)

BTW, I have ALL the Rendition-based cards (Intergraph, Canopus,
Sierra, and Blaster).  ;)

Best Regards,

Marc

Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - USA
Rendition Developers Group

Mr Bil

Thinking about Canopus Total 3D

by Mr Bil » Thu, 13 Feb 1997 04:00:00

1- The Canopus is said to be the best of the rendition cards. No dispute.
2- Sierra and Creative in the middle. Sierra is somewhat faster, but has
yet to prove themselves in the hardware market. And Creative has no ICR3D.
But a Icr3D patch is said to be finished but Sierra is holding it up.
3- Reactor last. This is because it was buggy and had some slighty slower
drivers, which is why they sold it for 149.00, then later changed its name
to the Intense 3D.
Then the price went back up.
-Right out of next Generation magazine-

Rendition cards blow in 2D as far as Im concerned, That fact is well known.
In 2D your Dynamite is much better than any rendition card.
For that kind of cash You might consider a 3DFX card or the new card by
Videologic.
But if you want a Rendition, HEY its only money. Go for the Canopus.
But Im Betting All the current rendition cards will be Dead, History, Old
News by Fall.
Do your Research.

Mr Bill



SimRaci

Thinking about Canopus Total 3D

by SimRaci » Thu, 13 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Next-Gen should perhaps check their facts...

1) True, the Canopus card is the better of the 4, partly because of the
   drivers, and partly because of the v-100L chip (newer version).
2) Sierra doesn't need to prove anything with the card, since it was
   developed by Rendition and Canopus.  Sierra isn't holding-up any
   patch AFAIK...If you use the Cyrix patch for ICR3D (and the rend-
   files from the game CD), then you'll have a 3D version of the game
   (albiet without the enhanced tracks).
3) The Reactor's price had nothing to do with whether the card was
   buggy - it's how you start a price-war before Christmas.  As far as
   the name change, this could have very well been the reason (bugs
   and reputation).

Rendition cards don't "blow" in 2D...While they don't have the blinding
performance that you might expect from a $200+ card, they do fairly
well IMO.  They seem to do pretty well in Win95 too (Winmarks 50+).

If I had a choice (and price was not an issue), then I would purchase
a Herc card, and place it along-side an Orchid Righteous.  From what
I understand, you can do this as well with a Rendition (w/ a 2D card).
This can be done in Win95 by resetting the IRQ's.

How much?  ;)

I did.  ;)

Best Regards,

Marc

Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - USA
http://members.aol.com/simracing

Eric T. Busc

Thinking about Canopus Total 3D

by Eric T. Busc » Thu, 13 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Yes they will be, but so will every other card out there right now
including the 3Dfx cards.  The Rendition V2000 based cards will be out
perhaps by summer along with the Voodoo Rush cards, but some point you
just have to suck it up and jump in.  Personally, I can't see spending
over $100 extra on the Canopus when its performance isn't that much
better.  Sure its faster, but is it $100 faster?  Knowing that these
cards are only a temporary soltion, I'd like to cut my losses and buy
the card that is the best value.  Based on the bundle the Sierra card
clearly wins, and based solely on price the Intergraph card wins.  I
hate to keep pointing this out to you, but Creative has the slowest
drivers (as far as Direct3D is concerned) and arguably the worst
bundle.

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Michael E. Carve

Thinking about Canopus Total 3D

by Michael E. Carve » Fri, 14 Feb 1997 04:00:00


: 3) The Reactor's price had nothing to do with whether the card was
:    buggy - it's how you start a price-war before Christmas.  As far as
:    the name change, this could have very well been the reason (bugs
:    and reputation).

The name change is more in line with Intergraph's newline of 3d
accelerators from top of the line CAD cards to the video card formally
known as the Reactor 3d.

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Mr Bil

Thinking about Canopus Total 3D

by Mr Bil » Sat, 15 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Hi Marc J.Nelson..
When I said that Rendition cards "Blow" in 2D I am comparing them to the
Matrox Mill
I had before. I also enjoy Graphical and photo work on my PC and with the
Millennium
I was Getting 32 bit Color and up with a 1280x1024 desktop. As well It was
Quite Fast.
(scrolling, Rendering, etc).
When I got the Reactor I did not get close to this :(
But I can See that for the average user Renditions are very acceptable.
But Because I really DIG N2 and other games I kept the Reactor.
To me I gained more than I lost. So I can wait until more powerful cards
come along
that (hopefully) do it all.

Hello Eric T. Busch..
I do not care which card is faster than the other, they are so close in
comparison it
is a useless subject to me. Like comparing a Camaro to a Trans AM.
I was just quoting what I read in Next Generation Mag, to help the guy out
in his decision. Which is why I wrote in my post -Right out of Next
Generation Mag-.
As well a few other Mags and sites I have read. PC Gamer come to mind.
All have wrote or rated basically what I said.
You do not have to keep telling me anything, Tell the sources of these
Mags.
And because the new Rendition cards and others are Very close to being on
the market now I think it might be best to wait a bit more if someone has
not got a 3D
Card yet.
Anyway, what do you know about the new V2000 cards?
I would love to hear some news on them.
Thanks.

Mr Bill

Eric T. Busc

Thinking about Canopus Total 3D

by Eric T. Busc » Sat, 15 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Rendition is being very quiet about it, and has not even made any
official statements.  I'll be able to get some more info on it soon,
but I'm not sure as too how much I'll be at liberty to say.

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esetse

Thinking about Canopus Total 3D

by esetse » Mon, 17 Feb 1997 04:00:00


> > I was thinking about getting a Canopus Total 3D card.Does anyone out
> > there have any experience with this card?As of now I am running a
> > Dynamite 128 2meg card,on a pentium 133.How is the 2D performance of
> > the Canopus.Is it worth the extra $80.00?Any advice would be greatly
> > appreciated.

> $80 bucks?...If you've already got the 128, then I would opt for
> the Orchid Righteous...The performance is significantly better
> than the Rendition stuff, and won't cost much more than the
> Canopus.  The Orchid will plug-in right next to the 128, and you
> can have the best of both worlds.  :)

> BTW, I have ALL the Rendition-based cards (Intergraph, Canopus,
> Sierra, and Blaster).  ;)

> Best Regards,

> Marc

> Marc J. Nelson
> Sim Racing News - USA
> Rendition Developers Group

Hmmm, this is rec.autos.simulators, so I guess I'm confused on why the
Righteous would be a good choice.  I understand from a general 3D
viewpoint that the Voodoo cards are considered the best, BUT they will
sit idle while you run N2, N1, ICR2, GP2, etc.  Not much help for a sim
race fan, at least not right now.  The Rendition cards will accelerate
both N2 and ICR2, and for sim racing enthusiasts, seem to be the "only
game in town".

If you run various software, be sure and do a title comparison for the
cards you are considering.  Depending on what you run, your ideal card
will probably vary.  Sometime in the future, we MAY have common software
that is supported on all 3D cards, and the real screamers will be an
easy choice.  In the meantime, software support is probably the biggest
factor that should be considered in choosing a card.


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