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Building den - which projector to use?

Ken

Building den - which projector to use?

by Ken » Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:37:18

Hi all

I am building a den with a built in***pit-steering wheel etc for
simulations.

I wanted to use a projector with 8 feet screen to get the feeling of really
being there, so does anyone know of any issues running F1C, GP4 , GPL etc on
a large screen and which would be the best projector to use.

Thanks very much

Larry Lindstro

Building den - which projector to use?

by Larry Lindstro » Sat, 27 Mar 2004 05:07:31


> Hi all

> I am building a den with a built in***pit-steering wheel etc for
> simulations.

> I wanted to use a projector with 8 feet screen to get the feeling of really
> being there, so does anyone know of any issues running F1C, GP4 , GPL etc on
> a large screen and which would be the best projector to use.

> Thanks very much

Hi Ken:

    Wow, 8 feet.

    A "Regular" TV image isn't that great, resolution wise.
One wouldn't look good expanded to 8 feet.

    I'd recommend an projector capable of HDTV, or better yet,
higher resolutions.  A screen that wide is probably going to
play on your peripheral vision, which is sensitive to flicker.
So a good refresh rate is also important.

    I'd post questions to a newsgroup with the word "video" in
the name.

    Bring lots of money, and please get back to us.  I'm
curious about what you find out.

    What wheel are you using?

    Where do you live?  Can I come over to play?

                                                         Larry

Ken

Building den - which projector to use?

by Ken » Sat, 27 Mar 2004 06:37:48



>> Hi all

>> I am building a den with a built in***pit-steering wheel etc for
>> simulations.

>> I wanted to use a projector with 8 feet screen to get the feeling of
>> really being there, so does anyone know of any issues running F1C, GP4 ,
>> GPL etc on a large screen and which would be the best projector to use.

>> Thanks very much

> Hi Ken:

>    Wow, 8 feet.

>    A "Regular" TV image isn't that great, resolution wise.
> One wouldn't look good expanded to 8 feet.

>    I'd recommend an projector capable of HDTV, or better yet,
> higher resolutions.  A screen that wide is probably going to
> play on your peripheral vision, which is sensitive to flicker.
> So a good refresh rate is also important.

>    I'd post questions to a newsgroup with the word "video" in
> the name.

>    Bring lots of money, and please get back to us.  I'm
> curious about what you find out.

>    What wheel are you using?

>    Where do you live?  Can I come over to play?

>                                                         Larry

Thanks for your advice Larry - Well appreciated.

Maybe when I get the whole setup done I will take a picture and post it.

I am using a Logitech momo force feedback right now and I am building a
***pit to suit my size. I live in the US but I am English

Sting3

Building den - which projector to use?

by Sting3 » Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:54:34

Ken,

Im supposing that you want better resolution, because TV's are only like 320
by what 180 double interlaced resolution (pretty crappy)

you might have to look into one of those "PC Screen, presentation
projectors" that many Corporations show the P-Point presentations on...
One I got to use once went up to about 6ft, with 600x800, this was over
2years ago, BTW... I definitely remember, I was told not to***it up
because it cost over 3000 $ us...  Surely they are cheaper now...





>>> Hi all

>>> I am building a den with a built in***pit-steering wheel etc for
>>> simulations.

>>> I wanted to use a projector with 8 feet screen to get the feeling of
>>> really being there, so does anyone know of any issues running F1C,
>>> GP4 , GPL etc on a large screen and which would be the best
>>> projector to use.

>>> Thanks very much

>> Hi Ken:

>>    Wow, 8 feet.

>>    A "Regular" TV image isn't that great, resolution wise.
>> One wouldn't look good expanded to 8 feet.

>>    I'd recommend an projector capable of HDTV, or better yet,
>> higher resolutions.  A screen that wide is probably going to
>> play on your peripheral vision, which is sensitive to flicker.
>> So a good refresh rate is also important.

>>    I'd post questions to a newsgroup with the word "video" in
>> the name.

>>    Bring lots of money, and please get back to us.  I'm
>> curious about what you find out.

>>    What wheel are you using?

>>    Where do you live?  Can I come over to play?

>>                                                         Larry

> Thanks for your advice Larry - Well appreciated.

> Maybe when I get the whole setup done I will take a picture and post
> it.

> I am using a Logitech momo force feedback right now and I am building
> a***pit to suit my size. I live in the US but I am English

Schoone

Building den - which projector to use?

by Schoone » Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:20:02

The big killer with projectors is the price of the bulbs.


> Ken,

> Im supposing that you want better resolution, because TV's are only like
320
> by what 180 double interlaced resolution (pretty crappy)

> you might have to look into one of those "PC Screen, presentation
> projectors" that many Corporations show the P-Point presentations on...
> One I got to use once went up to about 6ft, with 600x800, this was over
> 2years ago, BTW... I definitely remember, I was told not to***it up
> because it cost over 3000 $ us...  Surely they are cheaper now...





> >>> Hi all

> >>> I am building a den with a built in***pit-steering wheel etc for
> >>> simulations.

> >>> I wanted to use a projector with 8 feet screen to get the feeling of
> >>> really being there, so does anyone know of any issues running F1C,
> >>> GP4 , GPL etc on a large screen and which would be the best
> >>> projector to use.

> >>> Thanks very much

> >> Hi Ken:

> >>    Wow, 8 feet.

> >>    A "Regular" TV image isn't that great, resolution wise.
> >> One wouldn't look good expanded to 8 feet.

> >>    I'd recommend an projector capable of HDTV, or better yet,
> >> higher resolutions.  A screen that wide is probably going to
> >> play on your peripheral vision, which is sensitive to flicker.
> >> So a good refresh rate is also important.

> >>    I'd post questions to a newsgroup with the word "video" in
> >> the name.

> >>    Bring lots of money, and please get back to us.  I'm
> >> curious about what you find out.

> >>    What wheel are you using?

> >>    Where do you live?  Can I come over to play?

> >>                                                         Larry

> > Thanks for your advice Larry - Well appreciated.

> > Maybe when I get the whole setup done I will take a picture and post
> > it.

> > I am using a Logitech momo force feedback right now and I am building
> > a***pit to suit my size. I live in the US but I am English

Kott

Building den - which projector to use?

by Kott » Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:03:27

First of all you need to find a projector that can produce that size
of a picture in your room. I'd say that you need to have the projector
something like 15-18 feet from the screen.

I recommend you to go to http://www.racesimcentral.net/
information on projectors. They have a projection calculator at
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

If you only are going to use the proj for *** a 4:3 is fine. On the
other hand if you want to use it for home cinema purposes you might
want to look at a 16:9 (Wide screen) proj.

You can get an InFocus X1 (4:3) for $999 or a Epson PowerLite Home 10
16:9) for $1299.

Kotten


> The big killer with projectors is the price of the bulbs.


> > Ken,

> > Im supposing that you want better resolution, because TV's are only like
>  320
> > by what 180 double interlaced resolution (pretty crappy)

> > you might have to look into one of those "PC Screen, presentation
> > projectors" that many Corporations show the P-Point presentations on...
> > One I got to use once went up to about 6ft, with 600x800, this was over
> > 2years ago, BTW... I definitely remember, I was told not to***it up
> > because it cost over 3000 $ us...  Surely they are cheaper now...





> > >>> Hi all

> > >>> I am building a den with a built in***pit-steering wheel etc for
> > >>> simulations.

> > >>> I wanted to use a projector with 8 feet screen to get the feeling of
> > >>> really being there, so does anyone know of any issues running F1C,
> > >>> GP4 , GPL etc on a large screen and which would be the best
> > >>> projector to use.

> > >>> Thanks very much

> > >> Hi Ken:

> > >>    Wow, 8 feet.

> > >>    A "Regular" TV image isn't that great, resolution wise.
> > >> One wouldn't look good expanded to 8 feet.

> > >>    I'd recommend an projector capable of HDTV, or better yet,
> > >> higher resolutions.  A screen that wide is probably going to
> > >> play on your peripheral vision, which is sensitive to flicker.
> > >> So a good refresh rate is also important.

> > >>    I'd post questions to a newsgroup with the word "video" in
> > >> the name.

> > >>    Bring lots of money, and please get back to us.  I'm
> > >> curious about what you find out.

> > >>    What wheel are you using?

> > >>    Where do you live?  Can I come over to play?

> > >>                                                         Larry

> > > Thanks for your advice Larry - Well appreciated.

> > > Maybe when I get the whole setup done I will take a picture and post
> > > it.

> > > I am using a Logitech momo force feedback right now and I am building
> > > a***pit to suit my size. I live in the US but I am English

Steve Smit

Building den - which projector to use?

by Steve Smit » Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:47:35

Yeah, bulbs are over $500, so you might as well have a projector that's
worth it.

If you're going to use it for TV, make sure it has a line doubler (HD
projectors are way too 'spensive), like a Faroudja.

You can find projectors that will display 1024x768.  Look for good
illumination and high contrast.

Alternative: you might try a DLP rear-projection TV (only abt. 18 in.
thick); they can cost under $3000 for a 40-in. set or over $6000 for the big
ones (60+ inches).  Look for one w. a digital XVGA input that can handle
1024x758.  I have a 50-in. Samsung connected to a Falcon NW FragBox for
flite sims like IL-2 and LOMAC.  Spectacular...and the bulb cost is more
like $300 (and lasts thousands of hours instead of hundreds).


> The big killer with projectors is the price of the bulbs.


> > Ken,

> > Im supposing that you want better resolution, because TV's are only like
> 320
> > by what 180 double interlaced resolution (pretty crappy)

> > you might have to look into one of those "PC Screen, presentation
> > projectors" that many Corporations show the P-Point presentations on...
> > One I got to use once went up to about 6ft, with 600x800, this was over
> > 2years ago, BTW... I definitely remember, I was told not to***it up
> > because it cost over 3000 $ us...  Surely they are cheaper now...





> > >>> Hi all

> > >>> I am building a den with a built in***pit-steering wheel etc for
> > >>> simulations.

> > >>> I wanted to use a projector with 8 feet screen to get the feeling of
> > >>> really being there, so does anyone know of any issues running F1C,
> > >>> GP4 , GPL etc on a large screen and which would be the best
> > >>> projector to use.

> > >>> Thanks very much

> > >> Hi Ken:

> > >>    Wow, 8 feet.

> > >>    A "Regular" TV image isn't that great, resolution wise.
> > >> One wouldn't look good expanded to 8 feet.

> > >>    I'd recommend an projector capable of HDTV, or better yet,
> > >> higher resolutions.  A screen that wide is probably going to
> > >> play on your peripheral vision, which is sensitive to flicker.
> > >> So a good refresh rate is also important.

> > >>    I'd post questions to a newsgroup with the word "video" in
> > >> the name.

> > >>    Bring lots of money, and please get back to us.  I'm
> > >> curious about what you find out.

> > >>    What wheel are you using?

> > >>    Where do you live?  Can I come over to play?

> > >>                                                         Larry

> > > Thanks for your advice Larry - Well appreciated.

> > > Maybe when I get the whole setup done I will take a picture and post
> > > it.

> > > I am using a Logitech momo force feedback right now and I am building
> > > a***pit to suit my size. I live in the US but I am English

Jerr

Building den - which projector to use?

by Jerr » Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:35:36

You should be able to get a decent DLP or LCD projector for a 8ft
screen for $1,000 or less, I am currently using my four year old
InFocus LP340, which is only really good for 800x600, sitting about 7'
away from 6' diag display. The picture is ok, but not great, it is a
bit grainy and that is with DLP, if you use a LCD ptojector, you will
see even more pixels/jaggies since you should really sit about 1.5x
the screen width. Most of the newer projectors can do 1024x768 or
1240x1024 without problem. Good brands to try are: InFocus, BenQ,
Panasonic, Sony and Sanyo (the usual suspects). If you want to watch
DVDs as well, then you may want to go with a 16:9 display, which do
wide screen movies much better, but they tend to be a bit more
expensive than 4:3 displays. Happy shopping...
Ken

Building den - which projector to use?

by Ken » Sun, 28 Mar 2004 01:11:28


Thanks for all your advice guys - I appreciate it!

Gerald Moo

Building den - which projector to use?

by Gerald Moo » Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:54:49


Some random thoughts:

You need to think about the ambient light levels in your room, this
will dictate how bright you really need the projector to be.  If you
can make the room totally dark, you can get by with a pretty dim
projector, say 800-1000 lumens.  Screen size plays a role here too,
though, the larger the image, the more lumens you need to get the same
screen brightness.

For games, 800 x 600 doesn't really look that good, 1024 x 768 is
acceptable, but barely.  I have to turn up the FSAA to make it look
smooth.  Once you start racing, you don't notice it as much.  The size
really creates an immersive experience for me.  I would love to see
1600 x 1200 or even something like 1920 x 1080 for a picture this
size.  Maybe in a few more years.

Many projectors will sync to these higher resolutions, but you want
one with as high a native resolution as you can afford.

Bulbs aren't really that expensive per hour.  You need to take the
information you get from projector central (hours of bulb life), then
find out how much replacement bulbs for that projector cost, then do
the math.  Most bulbs these days last well over 1000 hours.

Check out http://www.racesimcentral.net/
can digest in a lifetime.  Particularly the digital display, HTPC and
*** forums.

Another good company is NEC.  Good projectors, awesome warranty.

A projector with optical zoom gives you a lot of flexibility in
projector placement.

If your cable length is much over 6 feet, invest in some decent VGA
cabling to avoid ghosting, rings, etc.  This doesn't have to be
expensive, if you shop around.  Figure $40 for a really good 25' VGA
cable.  Belkin (even their high end cables) really doesn't cut it.

Good luck,
Gerald

Pez

Building den - which projector to use?

by Pez » Sat, 03 Apr 2004 04:39:41

I completely agree with the avsforum.com stuff, theres loads of good info
there, also check out avforums.com for an alternate (one is uk, the other
us). both great sites.

for around a grand sterling id go for the panny ae500, its native to 720
horizontal lines (much higher res than dvds currently support - unless youre
talking wmp9 stuff, but then that wont work outside the us :( ).

if youve got the cash and the friends at sony, then their new Qualia 004
looks nice, its native 1920 x 1080 hi def, costs around 15 grand sterling,
and from reports its possibly the greatest projector yet.

im looking at the ae500 myself.

pez




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