rec.autos.simulators

by **Marc Collin** » Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:00:00

You asked...you got... Of course, you are familiar with the Unofficial site
as you mention in another reply. People have been discussing (and screaming
about) the multitude of problems there for weeks and weeks. Thanks to those
who took the time to repeat some of them here.

If you truly represent just the N. American operation, then what problems
did you think would be enumerated based on your post--the game isn't out
here officially yet. The only problems anyone knows about are in the
current releases--and as someone else has said, you (UbiSoft N. America)
better not be proposing two streams of patches for this title. What
possible logic or rationale could there be for that????????????

Marc.

>What problems are you having?

>>When are you going to patch the multitude of problems in this title?

by **Ronald Stoeh** » Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:00:00

> Borger Borgersen wrote...
> >5. The AI cars don't behave properly when they are about to be
> > lapped....
> <snip>
> > The result is I run
> > into them. I guess you have used the Coulthard / Schumacher
> > incident at Spa 1998 as a model.

> Wrong. If they'd done that, you'd have Artificial Stupidity cars slamming
> into your rear despite leaving them a country mile of open road to pass you.

Maybe, but you wouldn't be driving 50 km/h slower than all the laps
before
at this position of the track... ;^)

l8er
ronny

--
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kiddo?"

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by **Ubi Soft Tech Suppor** » Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:00:00

The US version will try to incorporate the latest fixes that are developed
for the European versions and so be as bug free (admittedly dangerous words)
as possible, but there won't be any independent patches/fixes that would not
also become available for the European versions. Also the US version will
contain the Game Service which European versions will have to patch to
obtain.

And thank you for your comments, they will be passed on.

>>I keep an eye on that site, and direct people to f1racingsim for most
>>things, but it is often better to have a direct enumeration with all the
>>information collated than sifting through a forum when you want to know
>>something.

>>>I suggest you check out this web page:
>>>http://f1racingsim.com/f1rs2/forum.htm

>>As mentioned before, your comments are very appreciated and I hope will go
>>towards making the North American version of the game as good as possible.

>Does this mean the US version for MGPR2 will be *different* than the
>European version? Shouldn't the version you release in North America
>next year be identical to the *patched* European version that's available
>at the release time. Is it really possible the US version will fix *other*
>bugs
>than the European version. E. g. meaning that you have 2 independent
>developer teams making patches for MGPR2. I hope I'm wrong here. I
>would hate to see a bug fixed in the US version, but not being able to
>benefit from the bugfix myself since I have the European version.

<snip>

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by **Ubi Soft Tech Suppor** » Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:00:00

I try to keep an eye on the board, but a lot of my actual commentary is
either pre-empted by the people on the board offering what I would offer; or
someone on r.a.s. has first hand knowledge of a problem which I haven't
experienced (certain hardware configs which I don't have - my system is a
straight forward P2-266 with a TNT and an SLI config and a Maxi Sound card);
or problems which we have received through email already. In some cases of
course, I also don't know the answer...admittedly not the best of
situations.
But yes, I do try to respond here, it is pseudo official as I have
officially been requested to monitor newsgroups, but my postings are
probably more casual than they should be.
As for the two way street, I agree, unfortunately it always seems that by
the time the product is out to receive input it is too late to modify the
program since another project has priority etc. This seems to be changing
somewhat on the North American front with gamer forums and QA sessions such
as those which were held with Speed Busters, hopefully that will continue
and show results from such QA sessions.

>>>>I keep an eye on that site, and direct people to f1racingsim for most
>things, but it is often better to have a direct enumeration with all the
>information collated than sifting through a forum when you want to know
>something.<<<

>Well can at least we say that UBI is going to have a presence on both
boards
>from now on? It would be nice to have at lease SOME representation and
>feedback from the publisher. Sometimes it seems that there is just a whole
lot
>of preaching on one's soapbox and nothing ever comes out of it.

>Alot of people want to see this sim really mature into what it has the
potental
>to become...the best 'modern' F1-Racing Sim. But in order for this to
happen,
>it must be a 2-way street for both sides.

>:::Stepping off of soapbox:::
>F1Filter

by **Ubi Soft Tech Suppor** » Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:00:00

I really am not too clear on what you are trying to get across in the this
paragraph. I think you mean to say that since the US version isn't out, US
people on r.a.s. can't comment on the problems? OK, that's true, but we
(meaning other divisions of Ubi Soft's North American office and not us at
Tech Support) are also interested in finding out what the sim racers think
and want regardless where they are from.
And to reiterate, there won't be two lines of patches going.

>If you truly represent just the N. American operation, then what problems
>did you think would be enumerated based on your post--the game isn't out
>here officially yet. The only problems anyone knows about are in the
>current releases--and as someone else has said, you (UbiSoft N. America)
>better not be proposing two streams of patches for this title. What
>possible logic or rationale could there be for that????????????

>Marc.

by **Jim Dunph** » Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Well it is available here in Canada. At least here in Toronto.
I, so far am not impressed with it, the demo anyway. As The Pits F1 "expert"
( yea right ) I suggest you find a copy of F1RS for the truest sense of an
F1 simulation. Real drivers, real tracks, and great graphics there is
nothing better. Since UBISOFT doesn't have the rights to use the names of
the latest drivers (1998) they were unable to offer them in the game.
Just my thoughts only and not those of The Pits.
Thanks

--
Jim Dunphy

The Pits
http://www.theuspits.com

To err is human, to moo is bovine.

>I really am not too clear on what you are trying to get across in the this
>paragraph. I think you mean to say that since the US version isn't out, US
>people on r.a.s. can't comment on the problems? OK, that's true, but we
>(meaning other divisions of Ubi Soft's North American office and not us at
>Tech Support) are also interested in finding out what the sim racers think
>and want regardless where they are from.
>And to reiterate, there won't be two lines of patches going.

>>If you truly represent just the N. American operation, then what problems
>>did you think would be enumerated based on your post--the game isn't out
>>here officially yet. The only problems anyone knows about are in the
>>current releases--and as someone else has said, you (UbiSoft N. America)
>>better not be proposing two streams of patches for this title. What
>>possible logic or rationale could there be for that????????????

>>Marc.

by **Ronald Stoeh** » Fri, 20 Nov 1998 04:00:00

> Well it is available here in Canada. At least here in Toronto.
> I, so far am not impressed with it, the demo anyway. As The Pits F1 "expert"
> ( yea right ) I suggest you find a copy of F1RS for the truest sense of an
> F1 simulation. Real drivers, real tracks, and great graphics there is
> nothing better. Since UBISOFT doesn't have the rights to use the names of
> the latest drivers (1998) they were unable to offer them in the game.
> Just my thoughts only and not those of The Pits.

This is strange, coming from a guy working (?) for The Pits, a major
website
for modifications of existing racing sims!!! You're telling us, that you
are not willing to download a few patches and make it "real" yourself?
I support UbiSoft in NOT supporting Bernie with his moneygrabbing,
sport-
destructing policies.

BTW, don't give anything on the demo, that's one part where UbiSoft
REALLY
likes to***up big time... ;^)

l8er
ronny

--
Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure,
kiddo?"

|\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather,
ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep.
|,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car,
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

by **Marc Collin** » Fri, 20 Nov 1998 04:00:00

The N. American version is not available in Toronto...only the UK/European
version. At some point, the US/N. American version will start showing up on
regular store shelves. Right now, only a few specialty stores who import
British software have the UK version of MGPRS2.

>Well it is available here in Canada. At least here in Toronto.
>I, so far am not impressed with it, the demo anyway. As The Pits F1
"expert"
>( yea right ) I suggest you find a copy of F1RS for the truest sense of an
>F1 simulation. Real drivers, real tracks, and great graphics there is
>nothing better. Since UBISOFT doesn't have the rights to use the names of
>the latest drivers (1998) they were unable to offer them in the game.
>Just my thoughts only and not those of The Pits.
>Thanks

>--
>Jim Dunphy

>The Pits
>http://www.theuspits.com

>To err is human, to moo is bovine.

>>I really am not too clear on what you are trying to get across in the this
>>paragraph. I think you mean to say that since the US version isn't out, US
>>people on r.a.s. can't comment on the problems? OK, that's true, but we
>>(meaning other divisions of Ubi Soft's North American office and not us at
>>Tech Support) are also interested in finding out what the sim racers think
>>and want regardless where they are from.
>>And to reiterate, there won't be two lines of patches going.

>>>If you truly represent just the N. American operation, then what problems
>>>did you think would be enumerated based on your post--the game isn't out
>>>here officially yet. The only problems anyone knows about are in the
>>>current releases--and as someone else has said, you (UbiSoft N. America)
>>>better not be proposing two streams of patches for this title. What
>>>possible logic or rationale could there be for that????????????

>>>Marc.

by **Jim Dunph** » Fri, 20 Nov 1998 04:00:00

If and when a modification is available The Pits will have it available.
My point was that I really would like a great, accurate, and TRUE sim. We
the GENERAL public shouldn't have to provide patches and fixes to games that
should be complete when we buy them. That's all. Aren't you?

--
Jim Dunphy

The Pits
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

To err is human, to moo is bovine.

>> Well it is available here in Canada. At least here in Toronto.
>> I, so far am not impressed with it, the demo anyway. As The Pits F1
"expert"
>> ( yea right ) I suggest you find a copy of F1RS for the truest sense of
an
>> F1 simulation. Real drivers, real tracks, and great graphics there is
>> nothing better. Since UBISOFT doesn't have the rights to use the names of
>> the latest drivers (1998) they were unable to offer them in the game.
>> Just my thoughts only and not those of The Pits.

>This is strange, coming from a guy working (?) for The Pits, a major
>website
>for modifications of existing racing sims!!! You're telling us, that you
>are not willing to download a few patches and make it "real" yourself?
>I support UbiSoft in NOT supporting Bernie with his moneygrabbing,
>sport-
>destructing policies.

>BTW, don't give anything on the demo, that's one part where UbiSoft
>REALLY
>likes to***up big time... ;^)

>l8er
>ronny

>--
>Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure,
>kiddo?"

> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather,
> ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep.
> |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car,
> '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

by **Ronald Stoe** » Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:00:00

> If and when a modification is available The Pits will have it available.
> My point was that I really would like a great, accurate, and TRUE sim. We
> the GENERAL public shouldn't have to provide patches and fixes to games that
> should be complete when we buy them. That's all. Aren't you?

No, if the rediculous licensing fees make realistic sims (smaller market?)
not profitable, I'm all for giving Schumacher some fantasy name, esp. when
it's easy to change. That's all, isn't it?

l8er
ronny

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'---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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