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EA strikes again

Plowboy

EA strikes again

by Plowboy » Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:29:19

There is a f#cking problem with this licensing...  Can someone tell me why
Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or products
in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier products put
"xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others paid through the nose for
us to see the race we are "emulating", on our tv???

seems f#cking ludicrous to me.

Jochen Heistermann enlightened us with:



>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're
>> going to do the same to football.

> Since Madden is from EA, it does not matter.

> A more serious matter is that Sony owns the Formula 1 rights and does
> not publish
> for the PC. There are not much useful mods out for GP4, so PC owners
> have a tough
> time.

> Jochen

Byron Forbe

EA strikes again

by Byron Forbe » Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:53:16


    No. Sacrificing myself to dagos and doing nothing about it wasn't
anything I'd buy into either.

    Is that right? It seems some mentally rot before their body does my mere
mortal friend!

    More mere mortal dribble.

Byron Forbe

EA strikes again

by Byron Forbe » Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:32:36


    Welcome to the corrupt planet earth - this is all about legal ***wits
and NASCAR, F1, etc ***wits making a fortune, nothing else. All so we pay
double for our sims for no reason other than to make a bunch of***suckers
richer.

btgos

EA strikes again

by btgos » Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:03:07


> There is a f#cking problem with this licensing...  Can someone tell me why
> Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or products
> in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier products put
> "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others paid through the nose for
> us to see the race we are "emulating", on our tv???

The main reason you don't see this type of licensing is money. With the
exception of Halo 2 and maybe the GTA series. No game has made
"Hollywood" type of money yet. So your not going to see too many of
those types of deals. It might happen, but I don't think we will see
anything like that in the sim racing niche. Unless you count the ad
space Ratbag sold in the DTR games. (At least I think they did.)

btgoss

Plowboy

EA strikes again

by Plowboy » Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:58:39

Untapped resource if you aks me...  I would think My employer would love to
have thier image and imaginary signage at Daytona's trackside, say if the
sim sold enough copies to warrant the exposure.

To hell with them, i say, I personally liked the rwallace#2 car graffix that
Papy shipped the NR series with, better than the original...  IMHO
especially with the uncanny abilities of most of the paint and cars that
were readily available for download...  lst time I checked my nr03 folder
was over 1 gig in size, most of that was mods and car downloads (bloated
friggin car downloads IMHO) of fellow racers...  I downloaded the 1st
release of the "actual" Cup cars, from a site that I am positively sorry I
cant remember (to give them credit for awesome work) that was all...  when I
run the game, Im online, PERIOD.   Hardly never saw the licenced cars,
because I even downloaded the online generic replacement paint, which was
awesome...

I dont give a ***if you called the tracks "Big Oval 1" through "Mini Oval
Flat" for each track Dega to Martyville.

btgoss enlightened us with:


>> There is a f#cking problem with this licensing...  Can someone tell
>> me why Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier
>> cars or products in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to
>> have thier products put "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or
>> others paid through the nose for us to see the race we are
>> "emulating", on our tv???

> The main reason you don't see this type of licensing is money. With
> the exception of Halo 2 and maybe the GTA series. No game has made
> "Hollywood" type of money yet. So your not going to see too many of
> those types of deals. It might happen, but I don't think we will see
> anything like that in the sim racing niche. Unless you count the ad
> space Ratbag sold in the DTR games. (At least I think they did.)

> btgoss

JP

EA strikes again

by JP » Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:30:00

  ?  Anytime, anywhere you use a copyright protected logo, etc., there's
money being paid, usually by the entity using it, not the owners.

  Nothing new, been that way for decades.


> There is a f#cking problem with this licensing...  Can someone tell me why
> Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or products
> in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier products put
> "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others paid through the nose
for
> us to see the race we are "emulating", on our tv???

> seems f#cking ludicrous to me.

> Jochen Heistermann enlightened us with:


> >> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691

> >> EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're
> >> going to do the same to football.

> > Since Madden is from EA, it does not matter.

> > A more serious matter is that Sony owns the Formula 1 rights and does
> > not publish
> > for the PC. There are not much useful mods out for GP4, so PC owners
> > have a tough
> > time.

> > Jochen

Don Wilsh

EA strikes again

by Don Wilsh » Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:54:08

wrong.. but thats ok..   tracks, drivers and associations can be had for
free if you
just ask enough

don wilshe


>  ?  Anytime, anywhere you use a copyright protected logo, etc., there's
> money being paid, usually by the entity using it, not the owners.

>  Nothing new, been that way for decades.



>> There is a f#cking problem with this licensing...  Can someone tell me
>> why
>> Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or
>> products
>> in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier products put
>> "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others paid through the nose
> for
>> us to see the race we are "emulating", on our tv???

>> seems f#cking ludicrous to me.

>> Jochen Heistermann enlightened us with:


>> >> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691

>> >> EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're
>> >> going to do the same to football.

>> > Since Madden is from EA, it does not matter.

>> > A more serious matter is that Sony owns the Formula 1 rights and does
>> > not publish
>> > for the PC. There are not much useful mods out for GP4, so PC owners
>> > have a tough
>> > time.

>> > Jochen

Don Wilsh

EA strikes again

by Don Wilsh » Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:53:21

Yep and this service was performed for them by www.games-advertising.com
Matter of fact the #10 Ratbag car was built and raced on the bristol on
dirt.
Driver was Tyler Walker..

Don Wilshe

JP

EA strikes again

by JP » Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:02:42

    Not in movies, which is what was mentioned in the post.

    Hehe, but then, you'd know all about ways of doing things that most
people can't, eh ?


> wrong.. but thats ok..   tracks, drivers and associations can be had for
> free if you
> just ask enough

> don wilshe



> >  ?  Anytime, anywhere you use a copyright protected logo, etc., there's
> > money being paid, usually by the entity using it, not the owners.

> >  Nothing new, been that way for decades.



> >> There is a f#cking problem with this licensing...  Can someone tell me
> >> why
> >> Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or
> >> products
> >> in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier products
put
> >> "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others paid through the
nose
> > for
> >> us to see the race we are "emulating", on our tv???

> >> seems f#cking ludicrous to me.

> >> Jochen Heistermann enlightened us with:


> >> >> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691

> >> >> EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're
> >> >> going to do the same to football.

> >> > Since Madden is from EA, it does not matter.

> >> > A more serious matter is that Sony owns the Formula 1 rights and does
> >> > not publish
> >> > for the PC. There are not much useful mods out for GP4, so PC owners
> >> > have a tough
> >> > time.

> >> > Jochen

Asgeir Nesoe

EA strikes again

by Asgeir Nesoe » Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:21:03

I don't mind about games containing only fake logos and "Coventries" if
the game programmers make it excessibly easy to substitute the fakes
with the real thing.

GPL was the prime example in this, how long took it to produce the
correct logos, images and names for the on-line community? A month?

I do in fact believe that this is the only way to***the lawyers:
Produce games, put every development cost into the game itself, don't
mind about rights AT ALL, never use ANY logo or name found in RL, and
let people do whatever they like about the authenticity.

---Asgeir---


> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're going
> to do the same to football.  What kills me is that these corporations
> (NASCAR, NFL, PGA, FIFA, ....) let this happen.  I know, it's all about
> money, and obviously EA has enough to kill their competition, even if
> they make an inferior product.

> I'm done with EA.


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