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   I tend to disagree a bit with the "spinning" part. I've found that
   getting spun by impatient (read unskilled) drivers is  the norm
   on Hawaii. Why should I have to be penalized for anothers' gross
   misjudgement? One reason why I've pretty much quit racing on Hawaii
   is (imo) a new attitude of drivers claiming " the spot was mine"
   from ten rows back, 5 laps down, as an excuse for having spun you.
     I tend to agree with Nim Cross' statement in an early treatise
   that the one who hits another from the rear is ALWAYS at fault.

   I agree with this in principle but ask you to consider this. Most
online races now are nowhere near a full field. Sizing up a bad
situation with 39 cars ( Now I'm guessing about the NRO here) has got
to change that dynamic a bit. I have a way tougher time against a full
field AI race than I ever did on Hawaii with 21 or 22 racers.
  All in all, though I'm pretty satisfied with the system.

  Only if he wasn't wearing a cup! :)  (I couldn't resist)

regards,
Greg
Gavel ......on Kali and Kahn (when latency permits), Hawaii and TEN

    I don't know if I quite agree with that. Imo most of the spinning
  I do is caused by overly aggressive types ramming my rear. Hardly my
  fault. I find also that it is way easier to keep from getting spun
  if you're running up front; not because the faster guys seem to drive
  any better but more that thre are fewer cars there and breathing
  room is usually ample. L/I ratios look great for these people, but I
  think are misleading. Also, well established leagues will always
  look better in the L/I  columns because of the drivers' getting to
  know each others' styles, braking points, etc.  I predict wild
  spinning when the NRO starts due to unfamiliarity  with the new drivers
  we will be forced to drive with.

   I believe the L/I can give you that info but also leave out just as much.
   Another thought: most league races are not full fields and will require
   a step up in skill to negotiate. I've always found AI races at the
   short tracks require more driving skill than the Hawaii races demanded.
   ( regardless of the wacky AI quirks).
   One other thing. Processor speed and the ability to size up that bad
   situation are interlinked. A lot of us have the number of cars ahead
   reduced to get an acceptable frame rate( I have six in N1, 4 in N2).
   But all in all you are right and I agree that the L/I can be a
   reflection of skill.      

     Only if he's wearing a cup! ( I couldn't resist!:)  )

regards,
Greg
Gavel....somewhere near turn 5 at Sears Point..looking thru  the weeds
         for my right side bias..

---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

       Brian's right, they just need to try and clean up the way that
incidents are assigned.  I have been in a couple of wrecks that took
me out of a race early.  I went back to see what kind of incidents I
was assigned for them......a whopping 10 incidents at C***te for a
wreck that I didn't cause, and couldnt avoid.....oddly enough the guy
that caused the whole mess (that took out 1/3 of the field) received
no incidents.  I do believe that there is a need for an incident
system, and I like how it's working out on Hawaii.  I just wish that
they could always properly assign the incident to the guilty party.
       I think the thing that bugs me the most though, is getting
booted from a race.  Surely there is a way to allow a booted driver
back into a race that he has qualified for.  Your name is on the
"driver list", it shows you with completed laps.  I hope that when
the NRO starts, you will be able to sign back into a race from a
boot situation.   Just start the driver from the pits, however many
laps down the he/she lost while getting signed back on.  You could
call it a mechanical problem pit stop.

Shawn Wise

Dave Sparks
IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars
Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html
Hawaii Handle: davids