How hard do you break? Do you ever lock the wheels before a corner?
Also, are you using any of the aids, such as traction control? If so,
that could be your problem...
The Excelsior
"Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..."
Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country
True, but it does mean smoother braking, unless you know how to brake
well using normal brakes.
Don't! Try a few laps in one of the more stable cars, and brake each
time at your usual points at one of the more difficult corners. Now,
once you're ready, trying braking either slightly later, or lighter,
than before. Take it easy however, and increase this every lap, until
you're at your limit, or close.
You're doing the right thing here.
Again, the right thing.
Unless of course you're already at a smooth enough speed to continue
through the corner either without the aid of either pedal, or the
accelerator.
Don't jump onto the accelerator too hard. Wheel spin can lose you
time, especially when you have to realise the accelerator to gain grip
again afterwards. Especially noticable in the Ferarri.
This is natural, and the only way to solve it is to setup your car a
little better, and of course, to practise.
I wasn't so keen on Silverstone before, but I have recently started to
enjoy it, a lot! Especially when racing the AI.
The Excelsior
"Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..."
Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country
To Post An Addendum To Ex's Reply I would like to start in;
Don't you think in his question:{"I want to learn how to set up the cars
to my liking"} is extremely personal and subjective? As usual your info
is "spot-on" but every driver will race each track in the way they want
to race it... So as Tim Wheatly did for me is to look at a lap replay of
mine to see how I drove & etc... Then he could visually see what was
changeable or not. Tim's suggestions{for me}were more concise! Of
course there is still a wide range of changes but the direct pin'pointing
will be a "tad" better.. Don't you think??
Cheers Thom_j.
> >Does anyone know where I can find a good and easy to understand setup
guide
> >for GPL? For the Ferrari in particular. I've downloaded setups already
but
> >none of them have worked well for me. I want to learn how to set up the
cars
> >to my liking.
> If you ask your questions regarding the setups here, we should be able
> to answer them.
> The most basic of rules regards the fuel and tires. The more fuel you
> have in the car, the heavier it will be and so the slower you will
> travel. So for hotlaping, leave a very little in the tank. However,
> having more fuel in your car can also help, as the extra weight can
> make taking corners easier, especially when you're new to it.
> And as for tyres. The softer they are, the more grip they will have.
> However, softer tyres will also burn out more quickly.
> What else do you want to know?
> The Excelsior
> "ICQ #40620378"
--
Greger Huttu
That and just don't use trail-braking. Go back to basics and master braking
in a straight line before turning. Once you can do that and get good
consistant times then you can start braking a bit later and carrying through
with trail-braking.
However, ONE big thing I would recommend would be to actually download
some of the hotlap setups and actually study them. Drive them and
compare. Look at the differences and start to focus ONLY on the car's
reaction to certain situations. Don't worry bout lap times etc... For
GPL setups the BEST setup guide is at http://www.racesimcentral.net/ The
person that wrote the guide and myself don't really get along too well,
BUT it is a very well written piece of work. For ME, I will focus FIRST
on the exit of the turns before entry. Note: I am not saying the car
is totally crappy on entry of the turns, but my first priority is
setting up a car to be quick on exit of the turns. The REALLY good
online drivers do NOT dive pass... They will normally pass on exit of
the turns... Therefore you want to have a car that is hooked up on exit
of the turns.
I would recommend also start by making your cars slightly "tighter" vs
"looser" and work the car til it is hovering at that fine line between
tight and loose.... This is what many would call a "balanced" car.
Hope that helps.....
Bill / Amish on TEN
Founder: Team Brickyard
> Firstly, Alison's setups are designed to be used with trail braking in
> mind, which means that they are supposed to understeer.
> Secondly, its not the ride hight that makes Wolf Woeger so fast. At
> least not exclusively that. His use of the throttle and how his car is
> geared and where he shifts have a lot more to do with it. Take a look at
> one of his replays from Watkins Glen (or anywhere else for that matter),
> and pay special attention to these things.
My problem is really with Alison Hine's setups - I can't see how to go
anywhere near as quickly with them as I could with WW's setups.
Is there some fundamental technique I'm missing here, like how the brake
and accelerator are supposed to be combined when cornering? I have
split axis throttle and brake, so presumably this allows me to do
certain things that aren't possible with a combined axis.
I try to reduce the amount of brake as I start to turn in, then
accelerate as soon as the car comes round, but it seems very difficult
to predict how quickly the car will turn in.
Perhaps it just takes yet more practice... <sigh>
> >Is there some fundamental technique I'm missing here, like how the brake
> >and accelerator are supposed to be combined when cornering? I have
> >split axis throttle and brake, so presumably this allows me to do
> >certain things that aren't possible with a combined axis.
> How hard do you break? Do you ever lock the wheels before a corner?
> Also, are you using any of the aids, such as traction control? If so,
> that could be your problem...
It took about 5 minutes to see that the braking "aid" meant that I had
to brake even earlier for the corners, so that went straight away!
When braking I concentrate on:
1. Starting to brake at the same place each time
2. Use just enough pressure to avoid tyre squeal
3. Relax the brakes a bit if the car starts to swerve off-line
4. At turn-in, go to about half-pressure on the brakes
5. Release brakes and apply throttle when I think I'm going to make it!
I just find it very hard to use the right amount of brake pressure so
that I can control the car when it starts to turn in: too much, and I
crash into the apex of the turn; too little, and I end up on the grass
at the outside as I exit.
I got much better at Zandvoort when I started using more gentle brake
pressure to 'rally' round the turns, as the turn-in was less *** and
more controllable, but Silverstone seems to require much more aggressive
turn-in to get decent laptimes.
Mark
Quite right. The effect is that the rear wheels will have a tendancy to lock
first as the weight transfers forwards.
Mark
Now don't get upset Keeko...
>>And as for tyres. The softer they are, the more grip they will have.
>>However, softer tyres will also burn out more quickly.
>Last time I looked, a choice of tire compounds was not an option in GPL.
Ruud van Gaal
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> On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:50:44 GMT, "Stephen Warrior"
> >>And as for tyres. The softer they are, the more grip they will have.
> >>However, softer tyres will also burn out more quickly.
> >Last time I looked, a choice of tire compounds was not an option in GPL.
> He means inflating the tyres with more or less air. The less air is
> pumped in, the softer the tyres get.
> The 'burn out more quickly' refers not to tyre wear (as stated in
> another post), but temperature rise (which eventually makes for less
> grip, if they become too high).
Brands Hatch really seems to heat up the tyres - in one race (against
knobbled AI ;-)) I was leading by a huge margin when I suddenly had an
unexplained spin, and after that I just could not keep the car in a
straight line - as soon as I shifted into second gear, no matter how
careful I was with the throttle, it would just spin again immediately.
I eventually realised it was the tyre temps - after a quick shift-R and
a few corners on cold tyres it was back to normal.
The trouble is that whenever you have a spin the tyres heat up even
more, so you get to a point where you just can't go anywhere!
Do tyres really get that bad when they heat up too much?
That's one of the things I HATE! I wish that GPL would NOT reset
things like fuel and tires when you pressed SHIFT+R. Put the car back
on the track, yes, but don't reset anything else...
Yes, they do. I have never experienced this trouble in GPL however.
I'll try to do a few hotlaps today, plus TONS of skids and spins, to
see how it goes...
The Excelsior
"Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..."
Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country
