rec.autos.simulators

by **duncan r mclea** » Sun, 13 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Fellow racing fans...IT AINT JUST THE CPU!! When Nascar was first
released, ONE LOOK at it running in SVGA was all it took for me to put
my DX2/66 up for sale. At the time I upgraded, the P90 was the fastest
cpu available. I did a SIDE by SIDE comparison of two P90
systems...both identical (ram, vid card) EXCEPT for MOTHERBOARDS. One
system was an 'offshore' combo mboard...(pci and vlb with controller
card) the other was an Intel Neptune PCI with controller integrated
on mboard. The Intel based system BLEW the offshore AWAY. I run
Nascar in hi-res, with all options ON, except for track and grass.
(GOTTA have my fans cheering me on from the grandstands) Not only is
the frame rate acceptably smooth with 30+ car fields, but my top lap
times compare very favorably IN HI-RES with the TOP times posted in
this group which seem to be generated in LOW-RES. I would certainly
recommend that anyone considering upgrading to a fast Pentium pay CLOSE
attention to the motherboard...the newer Intel Zappa is not only
CHEAPER than the older Neptune and Triton boards, it has a FASTER
chipset. BTW...system ram 16megs, video card Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM.
Hope this helps...cheers.

by **Michael Shav** » Mon, 14 Aug 1995 04:00:00

says...

a little info:

the first pentiums with PCI had VLB beside. Technically, the VLB had many
conflicts with the PCI, resulting a decrease in to CPU transfer. Today,
there are almost just PCI/ISA-boards on market. But i recommend to all
readers here, when you buy a Pentium, it must be a PCI/ISA-board.
PCI/VLB's are still around.

M. Shavit

by **COX J.** » Wed, 16 Aug 1995 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: More thoughts NASCAR SVGA Frame Rate
>Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 17:22:07 GMT

>says...

>>Fellow racing fans...IT AINT JUST THE CPU!! When Nascar was first
>>released, ONE LOOK at it running in SVGA was all it took for me to put
>>my DX2/66 up for sale. At the time I upgraded, the P90 was the fastest
>>cpu available. I did a SIDE by SIDE comparison of two P90
>>systems...both identical (ram, vid card) EXCEPT for MOTHERBOARDS. One
>>system was an 'offshore' combo mboard...(pci and vlb with controller
>>card) the other was an Intel Neptune PCI with controller integrated
>>on mboard. The Intel based system BLEW the offshore AWAY. I run
>>Nascar in hi-res, with all options ON, except for track and grass.
>>(GOTTA have my fans cheering me on from the grandstands) Not only is
>>the frame rate acceptably smooth with 30+ car fields, but my top lap
>>times compare very favorably IN HI-RES with the TOP times posted in
>>this group which seem to be generated in LOW-RES. I would certainly
>>recommend that anyone considering upgrading to a fast Pentium pay CLOSE
>>attention to the motherboard...the newer Intel Zappa is not only
>>CHEAPER than the older Neptune and Triton boards, it has a FASTER
>>chipset. BTW...system ram 16megs, video card Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM.
>>Hope this helps...cheers.
>a little info:
>the first pentiums with PCI had VLB beside. Technically, the VLB had many
>conflicts with the PCI, resulting a decrease in to CPU transfer. Today,
>there are almost just PCI/ISA-boards on market. But i recommend to all
>readers here, when you buy a Pentium, it must be a PCI/ISA-board.
>PCI/VLB's are still around.
>M. Shavit

Here's something interesting: i'm running Nascar in super-vga with all details
on, except for the road textures and 39 cars in the race and it runs just
perfect in 20-25 frames per second on a AMD dx4-100 cpu. The motherboard has
an UMC-chipset, 8mb ram and a Stealth 64 dram video. On my roommates P75,
overclocked at 90 mhz, the same video-controller it sucks with this kind of
detail and amount of cars, in other words, my dx4-100 blows his overclocked
p75 away!! How the hell is this possible?!?!?
btw. both his and mine award-bios are configured as fast as possible, no wait
states if possible etc. We both have video-shadowing enabled. This weird ain't
it?!?

Thanks for any comments because my roommate is pretty upset to see his p75
being blown away by a relatively cheap dx4....

Joeri

by **Wingm** » Thu, 17 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Perhaps it's the higher clock rate that your vlb video card is getting... I
don't understand it. I just got a NexGen Nx586-90vl and I'm e***d to play
NASCAR in 640x480 mode (I can't bring my self to call that SVGA). It should
be a jump over my 486dx2-66. All I have to do is get 72 pin simms and I'll be
all set!

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by **Manu Kum** » Thu, 17 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Hello

I have an Intel Tritton based Pentium-100 and a decent frame rate in
SVGA with all detail to max is still fantasy, please explain how you
managed this on a 90Mhz Neptune.

M

: Fellow racing fans...IT AINT JUST THE CPU!! When Nascar was first
: released, ONE LOOK at it running in SVGA was all it took for me to put
: my DX2/66 up for sale. At the time I upgraded, the P90 was the fastest
: cpu available. I did a SIDE by SIDE comparison of two P90
: systems...both identical (ram, vid card) EXCEPT for MOTHERBOARDS. One
: system was an 'offshore' combo mboard...(pci and vlb with controller
: card) the other was an Intel Neptune PCI with controller integrated
: on mboard. The Intel based system BLEW the offshore AWAY. I run
: Nascar in hi-res, with all options ON, except for track and grass.
: (GOTTA have my fans cheering me on from the grandstands) Not only is
: the frame rate acceptably smooth with 30+ car fields, but my top lap
: times compare very favorably IN HI-RES with the TOP times posted in
: this group which seem to be generated in LOW-RES. I would certainly
: recommend that anyone considering upgrading to a fast Pentium pay CLOSE
: attention to the motherboard...the newer Intel Zappa is not only
: CHEAPER than the older Neptune and Triton boards, it has a FASTER
: chipset. BTW...system ram 16megs, video card Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM.
: Hope this helps...cheers.

by **Jeff Salzma** » Thu, 17 Aug 1995 04:00:00

->>Here's something interesting: i'm running Nascar in super-vga with all
->details
->>on, except for the road textures and 39 cars in the race and it runs just
->>perfect in 20-25 frames per second on a AMD dx4-100 cpu. The motherboard has
->>an UMC-chipset, 8mb ram and a Stealth 64 dram video. On my roommates P75,
(deleted)
->Perhaps it's the higher clock rate that your vlb video card is getting... I
->don't understand it. I just got a NexGen Nx586-90vl and I'm e***d to play
->NASCAR in 640x480 mode (I can't bring my self to call that SVGA). It should
->be a jump over my 486dx2-66. All I have to do is get 72 pin simms and I'll be

->all set!

+-----------------------+
| Jeff Salzmann |

+-----------------------+

by **duncan r mclea** » Thu, 17 Aug 1995 04:00:00

>Hello

>I have an Intel Tritton based Pentium-100 and a decent frame rate in
>SVGA with all detail to max is still fantasy, please explain how you
>managed this on a 90Mhz Neptune.

>M

>: Fellow racing fans...IT AINT JUST THE CPU!! When Nascar was first
>: released, ONE LOOK at it running in SVGA was all it took for me to
put
>: my DX2/66 up for sale. At the time I upgraded, the P90 was the
fastest
>: cpu available. I did a SIDE by SIDE comparison of two P90
>: systems...both identical (ram, vid card) EXCEPT for MOTHERBOARDS.
One
>: system was an 'offshore' combo mboard...(pci and vlb with controller
>: card) the other was an Intel Neptune PCI with controller integrated
>: on mboard. The Intel based system BLEW the offshore AWAY. I run
>: Nascar in hi-res, with all options ON, except for track and grass.
>: (GOTTA have my fans cheering me on from the grandstands) Not only
is
>: the frame rate acceptably smooth with 30+ car fields, but my top lap
>: times compare very favorably IN HI-RES with the TOP times posted in
>: this group which seem to be generated in LOW-RES. I would certainly
>: recommend that anyone considering upgrading to a fast Pentium pay
CLOSE
>: attention to the motherboard...the newer Intel Zappa is not only
>: CHEAPER than the older Neptune and Triton boards, it has a FASTER
>: chipset. BTW...system ram 16megs, video card Diamond Stealth 64
DRAM.
>: Hope this helps...cheers.

Manu...please reread this post. I did NOT say I ran ALL detail ON...
I run with track and grass OFF. Also, I said the frame rate was
.."acceptably smooth"...I'm sure it will be a lot better when I
upgrade to a P5-133, but for now, I find it very playable. Hope this
helps...D.

by **duncan r mclea** » Thu, 17 Aug 1995 04:00:00

>Hello

>I have an Intel Tritton based Pentium-100 and a decent frame rate in
>SVGA with all detail to max is still fantasy, please explain how you
>managed this on a 90Mhz Neptune.

>M

>: Fellow racing fans...IT AINT JUST THE CPU!! When Nascar was first
>: released, ONE LOOK at it running in SVGA was all it took for me to
put
>: my DX2/66 up for sale. At the time I upgraded, the P90 was the
fastest
>: cpu available. I did a SIDE by SIDE comparison of two P90
>: systems...both identical (ram, vid card) EXCEPT for MOTHERBOARDS.
One
>: system was an 'offshore' combo mboard...(pci and vlb with controller
>: card) the other was an Intel Neptune PCI with controller integrated
>: on mboard. The Intel based system BLEW the offshore AWAY. I run
>: Nascar in hi-res, with all options ON, except for track and grass.
>: (GOTTA have my fans cheering me on from the grandstands) Not only
is
>: the frame rate acceptably smooth with 30+ car fields, but my top lap
>: times compare very favorably IN HI-RES with the TOP times posted in
>: this group which seem to be generated in LOW-RES. I would certainly
>: recommend that anyone considering upgrading to a fast Pentium

pay
CLOSE
Manu, please re-read the above post. I did NOT say I ran with ALL
detail ON, or 'to the max' as you put it...I run with track and grass
OFF. Also, I said the frame rate was "acceptably smooth"...I'm sure
it'll be better when I upgrade to a P5-133 Zappa w/edo ram, but for now
I find it very playable. Hope this helps...D.

by **Stuart Boo** » Fri, 18 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Combo PCI/VLB mo'bo's are something I'd shy away from. The PCI is, I
believe, usually bridged off the VLB. Quite why I don't know, but this
results in well slower PCI performance. Probably the reason for the
difference.

Snap. Your post was good!

Stuart.
Stuart Booth

by **Gordon Wate** » Mon, 21 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Our good folks here indeed to have a point about Pentiums. There DOES
seem to be a VERY great variation in performance between brands, and it
is usually some single thing like throughput through the bus, clock
timing, memory speed and speed sensitivity, and the like. It isn't like
the zillion virtually 486 systems were, at all ?_?

One other helpful tip- the last writer mentioned using a Diamond Stealth
64 DRAM... welp, I have just seen a system in which said card was
replaces by a Stealth Pro 64 VRAM- AND THE VIDEO SPEED ALMOST DOUBLED!!!!
it was just short of unbelieveable how much difference it made in NASCAR,
Windows, etc, etc...

REgards,
Gordon.

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by **Mark McCu** » Tue, 22 Aug 1995 04:00:00

So are you saying that a fast video is a big performance improver with regard
to NASCAR?

by **COX J.** » Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: More thoughts NASCAR SVGA Frame Rate
>Date: 21 Aug 1995 23:12:45 GMT
>>One other helpful tip- the last writer mentioned using a Diamond Stealth
>>64 DRAM... welp, I have just seen a system in which said card was
>>replaces by a Stealth Pro 64 VRAM- AND THE VIDEO SPEED ALMOST DOUBLED!!!!
>>it was just short of unbelieveable how much difference it made in NASCAR,
>>Windows, etc, etc...
>So are you saying that a fast video is a big performance improver with regard
>to NASCAR?

yes it is... get the fastest pci-card in the market and it'll fly!

by **Randy L. Mill** » Tue, 29 Aug 1995 04:00:00

: >>One other helpful tip- the last writer mentioned using a Diamond Stealth
: >>64 DRAM... welp, I have just seen a system in which said card was
: >>replaces by a Stealth Pro 64 VRAM- AND THE VIDEO SPEED ALMOST DOUBLED!!!!
: >>it was just short of unbelieveable how much difference it made in NASCAR,
: >>Windows, etc, etc...

: >So are you saying that a fast video is a big performance improver with regard
: >to NASCAR?

: yes it is... get the fastest pci-card in the market and it'll fly!

I have to disagree here. I have two Stealth 32 cards which are Vlb, and
just bought a Stealth 32 PCI, and Landmark says it's only about half as
fast! Is that possible? The Vlb cards both do 19 and change, whereas the
PCI card only does 13...

Randy

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