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THRUSTMASTER PRO VS TSW STEERING WHEEL COMPARISON

ymenar

THRUSTMASTER PRO VS TSW STEERING WHEEL COMPARISON

by ymenar » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Andrew Fielden wrote

Its like buying a Mercedes compared to a Ford Escort. It gets you from point
A to point B one or the other, but you know the difference between those 2
cars ;)

Yes, easily by .2 secs by lap in Nascar2   And on the NROS .2 secs per lap
is very BIG.

Yes, it's smooth and slick.

In racing simulations, here is what makes a good driver. (on the NROS per
example), it's 50% the driver, 40% the setup, 5% the PC and 5% the wheel.

lot.

Your a lucky man, congratulations.  But what is "alot" ??  Me it's now 100
000laps in Nascar2 only.  I never counted World Circuit, Gp2, Icr2, SODA,
GPLegends, F1RS, etc...

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Paul Jone

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by Paul Jone » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

I went shopping and bought 2 lemons both from Thrustmaster. Plus one has gone
wrong in 3 different ways plus the springs on both are still fine on both. The
first (TM GP1) has a flaky micro-switch on the brake (it can really hack you off
when the brakes don't go off if you don't give them a hard flick) plus a bent
table clamp***plus some dodgy connections in the moulded game port socket
(meaning you have to fiddle for a while to get a perfect connection). The second
(TM F1) 's metal shaft has worn the plastic mouldings. When I first got the F1 I
was pleased as punch 'cos it was so smooth and my lap times went down by
seconds, but now I realise that a racing wheel is going to get tons of stick
(especially on rally sims and VR power boat) and what you need is a tough,
hard-wearing device that you can hand out stick to. I mean would you put up with
a new car when its steering wheel needed maintenance every two weeks? I dunno
though we all put up with Windows 95!!
Yup you can fix the wheel yourself but I would prefer to get the quality item.
Anyone know where can you get a TSW in the UK?


> >You will have to agree that over a 6 year time period that you willhave to
> >spend alot of time repairing and have down time.  I am
> >just telling you what I have experienced with my TM PRO.  I
> >have had the product 4 months and now have 4 broken springs

> >Don Wilshe

> R:

> Don you have to realize sometimes people get lemons. Yours must be a lemon.
> I'll definitely go on the record and state the many TM's are buggy from the
> get go. I deal with F1's and I've had to return 3 of them for various
> quality reasons. But once you get a good one they seems good for years. So
> to all readers make sure you have a perfectly working TM unit from the start
> otherwise return it for a replacement.

> QBM

Greg Cisk

THRUSTMASTER PRO VS TSW STEERING WHEEL COMPARISON

by Greg Cisk » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00


>Hmmm, is Don making this because somebody named Trevor is now PlaytestOr
for
>Burnout ?? (Tee Hee you know Don I'm joking, but still...) ;-)

That is how I see it. It is quite amazing how the worm turns isn't it?

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Ronald Stoe

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by Ronald Stoe » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00


> Drivers:

> Here is my 2 cents on why I would buy a TSW!!  First off in my
> opinion you have 3 choices when it comes to buying a wheel for

No, isn't that cute? Two buddies helping each other out.
Where do you find the time to do TWO marketing jobs?

l8er
ronny

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Jason Mond

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by Jason Mond » Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Now that's a great idea!  My only problem with my T2 is the steering pot
spiking a bit.  A couple squirts of cleaner always fixes it.  Now my T2
will last for another 2 years :-)

Jason.


> I've physically abused the F1's, I also drill a hole in the case so I can
> dab some lube on the steering pot from time to time to stop spiking some
> pots have.
> The hand grips have some benefits over foot pedals, and honestly I can't
> find a benefit that foot pedals have over hand grips. But I'm still trying
> to broaden my horizons... :)

I like foot pedals,  they are realistic.  (We all want our sims to be as
realistic
as possible.  Why stop at the controller?)

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Michael E. Carve

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by Michael E. Carve » Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:00:00


% Rev:

% > >Why should i repair a product thats suppose to work.
% >
% > To save $1000 ?
% >

% But I cant.  And many many people cant.

Many???  A few.  Anyone with a screwdriver can replace the springs in
the TM Pro series.  If you have the dexterity to use the product you
have the dexterity to make a simple spring swap.  The T1's & T2's were a
little more complicated to replace the springs, but not much.

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John Courtn

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by John Courtn » Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Hi,
    I don't use springs from TM on my T2.  I use straight springs instead
of the circle shaped ones that came with the T2.  I don't know the
technical name for the springs in my wheel. (take a slinkey and stretch
it out, they sort of look like that, only smaller!).  I haven't had any
problems since putting them in (knock on wood!).  The only side effect is
that the new springs make a little bit of noise when you press/release a
pedal.

Later,
John

Bob Hawkin

THRUSTMASTER PRO VS TSW STEERING WHEEL COMPARISON

by Bob Hawkin » Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:00:00

HIYA MICHAEL,
   Once again I ask why you think so highly of Thurstmaster plastic toys,
most of us that can afford to spend $100.00 more for the TSW2 don't want to
have to work on a toy like the TM I for one don't like to buy something and
have to work on it after the first few days of buying it. I can't understand
you at all do you work foe TM or what? God only knows I had Three of the
TM's they are in the city dump where they belong. I don't believe in the TM
like you don't believe in the TSW.....
Sorry if I came on to forcibly, I have always looked up to you and enjoy
your posts to this news group, but when you are to far off I have to step in
this is one of those times.
Bob Hawkins



>% Rev:


>% > >Why should i repair a product thats suppose to work.
>% >
>% > To save $1000 ?
>% >

>% But I cant.  And many many people cant.

>Many???  A few.  Anyone with a screwdriver can replace the springs in
>the TM Pro series.  If you have the dexterity to use the product you
>have the dexterity to make a simple spring swap.  The T1's & T2's were a
>little more complicated to replace the springs, but not much.

>--
>**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
>     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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Michael E. Carve

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by Michael E. Carve » Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:00:00


% HIYA MICHAEL,
%    Once again I ask why you think so highly of Thurstmaster plastic toys,
% most of us that can afford to spend $100.00 more for the TSW2 don't want to
% have to work on a toy like the TM I for one don't like to buy something and
% have to work on it after the first few days of buying it. I can't understand
% you at all do you work foe TM or what? God only knows I had Three of the
% TM's they are in the city dump where they belong. I don't believe in the TM
% like you don't believe in the TSW.....

First of all I DO believe in the TSW.  I have NEVER said one thing bad
about their wheels.  You must have me confused with someone else.  

I have never told anyone to get a Thrustmaster product if they indicated
they could afford a TSW (or ECCI for that matter).  As a matter of fact
if I do answer a question about "what wheel do I buy" I have listed the
full line along with URL's pointing to websites for each.  I have also
dug up URL's for reviews of these wheels for posters.

I have one of the original "limited edition" T1's which got MANY a year
of use and abuse.  It went through a few springs and one rebuild of the
yoke (all of which TM did for free way past the stated warranty).  I now
use a Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro and yes, guess what I busted some springs
after a few months use (their re-designed springs are holding up much
better).

Maybe I'm just a tinkerer at heart and don't mind the fact that I was
able to pocket $100-200 buying a TM product that needs occasional
maintanence (cleaning pots -- at least they are not totally sealed so
they can be cleaned instead of replaced every time they go flakey).  For
the money I saved, I have been able to stretch my "entertainment" budget
for other things and enjoy the ***out of racing sim titles.  There's
nuttin' wrong with that, is there?

If you were so unhappy with your TM products within "the first few days"
I am sure that TM would have been happy to refund your money.  I for one
couldn't afford to waste my money on a product that didn't perform up to
its claim.  But, TM products do, and as long as Thrustmaster continues to
support their products and their customers, I don't feel bad about
mentioning their products when someone asks about what wheel they should
get when they are on a tight budget.

Besides, most of my posts to r.a.s. about TM products have only been to
help people who have ran into trouble (sometimes just calibration
problems or making it work with Win95 or a particular program -- along
with how they can get parts when they do eventually break.)

% Sorry if I came on to forcibly, I have always looked up to you and enjoy
% your posts to this news group, but when you are to far off I have to step in
% this is one of those times.
% Bob Hawkins

I'll just assume you got up on the wrong side of the bed today.... ;-)
As my response to Don was only to set the record straight.  I still
stand by the fact that the majority of the people who can use a TM
product can use a screwdriver to remove screws and replace them.  Saying
that, says nothing about the TSW, nor does it tell anyone not to buy a
TSW (or even a Thrustmaster product for that matter).

If you are on a tight budget folks, take a good look at Thrustmaster's
products (GP1, T2 and the NASCAR Pro).
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

If you have $100-$200 more you can (or want to spend) take a real good
look at Thomas Steering Wheel products.  You can't go wrong (I have a
real good buddy that swears by his! Honest!).
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~thomas/index.html

And if you just got the promised promotion or your wife didn't get
everything in the divorce take a look at the ECCI line of products.
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Or if ECCI doesn't do it for you check out Virtual Vehicles from
Interactive I/O  for their line of products.
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

And will I am plugging all of the wonderous controlling devices for you
racing sim junkies, the following is only for the truly strung out
junkie with a fat bankroll:  Check out Hyper Simulator at
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

[and to you MadCatz and Per4mer and other wheel fans, feel free to plug
your brand as well...  I'm signing off now.... <G>]



% >% Rev:
% >
% >
% >
% >% > >Why should i repair a product thats suppose to work.
% >% >
% >% > To save $1000 ?
% >% >
% >
% >% But I cant.  And many many people cant.
% >
% >Many???  A few.  Anyone with a screwdriver can replace the springs in
% >the TM Pro series.  If you have the dexterity to use the product you
% >have the dexterity to make a simple spring swap.  The T1's & T2's were a
% >little more complicated to replace the springs, but not much.

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Andrew Fielde

THRUSTMASTER PRO VS TSW STEERING WHEEL COMPARISON

by Andrew Fielde » Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:00:00


> Yup you can fix the wheel yourself but I would prefer to get the quality item.
> Anyone know where can you get a TSW in the UK?

Paul,

Trev is currently trying to find a UK distributor for the TSW.

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