rec.autos.simulators

by **Eldre** » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00

>A) 1967 GP racing...who? what? Where are my mustangs and F1 cars or maybe my
>Taurus NASCAR car? In other words people, especially in the 'States where
>the largest market probably is, don't key in on 1967 GP cars, period. And
>those that do, may or may not be into actually racing them.

I've become a lot more interested in that era SINCE I bought GPL...<g>

When I first heard about GPL, I wanted it because I liked other Papy sims, and
I figured this would be a great program, too. I don't really remember any
advertising - I knew about it because I was already 'on the inside', so to
speak. I actually bought it because I wanted the old TRACKS. The cars were
actually secondary in my decision.<g>

Eldred

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by **Rigs** » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> It's called re-evaluation. They looked at 2 products and the staff
> associated and decided it was a no go. EVery time Sierra gets taken over
> games get canned.

Relax, ya'll. Sierra/Havas have made some BAD moves recently - namely
the cancellation of Babylon 5: ITF and Middle Earth, but I think it's
safe to say that Papyrus will hang on. AFAIK, Papyrus is it's own entity
under the Sierra label, meaning if Sierra wants it out, it would have to
sell it - or Papyrus would have to buy itself back out.
Off-Topic, we really need everyones support to save Babylon5: ITF and
teach Sierra a lesson. 105 people lost their jobs with little notice
this week. If you wish to help, head on over to http://www.firstones.com
and check it out. We really need all the support we can get...PEACE!

=-Rigs-=

'...whatever answer, however illogical, must be the truth...'

by **Andre** » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I don' think that the original post is too far off the mark. Sierra today
announced the dissolution of DYNAMIX, and took the TRIBES/TRIBES
EXTREME/TRIBES II into the CORE GAMES fold. I am not sure about papy, but
I think that Sierra is just their publisher. If they do own papy there
could be a bunch of shakeups. I have a friend who worked for Sierra at
their main office in Bellvue, WA. as a tester, and she got laid off. They
are in deep financial straights. I think most of it can be traced back to
the Cendant financials, and the cooked books, it is obviously hard to live
that fiasco down.

Andrew

> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:52:32 -0500,

> >Rumors inside Sierra is saying that Papyrus does not fit within Sierra's
> >reorganization.

> How do you know?

> >Anyone know what the heck Sierra is up to?

> Nope.

> >They sound like
> >they are getting ready to file for bankruptcy or to dissolve themselves.

> Based on... ?

> >Isn't sierra owned by the French?!

> Yes.

> >Is there anyone out there who knows what the heck is going on???

> No, and your troll isn't helping.

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by **John Bodi** » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00

>On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:52:32 -0500,

>Based on... ?

This, maybe -- Dynamix was supposed to be a part of Sierra's "Core"
division:

http://pc.ign.com/news/10706.html

Hmmm . . . . .

-- JB

by **Toni Lassil** » Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> Rumors inside Sierra is saying that Papyrus does not fit within Sierra's
> reorganization. Anyone know what the heck Sierra is up to? They sound like
> they are getting ready to file for bankruptcy or to dissolve themselves.
> Isn't sierra owned by the French?!

> Is there anyone out there who knows what the heck is going on???

Hey Sierra, please sell Papyrus to someone so I don't have to spend any
more money buying games from your corporate suits. Please?

--
Toni Lassila

by **Meij** » Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Personally while I feel for the people who have lost their jobs, the bigger
loss of the two is Middle Earth. I've had my fill of unimaginative space
combat licenses (or any unimaginative licenses). Anyway, there is talk of a
new publisher taking the completed materials, the license and the team for
the B5 game and finishing it.

Who knows...

M

by **Arne Marti** » Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> >On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:52:32 -0500,

> >Based on... ?

> This, maybe -- Dynamix was supposed to be a part of Sierra's "Core"
> division:

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"These
games are aimed at *** gamers, which Sierra
President
Dave Grenewetzki described as "the guys who the only
color
in their skin comes from the light of their computer
and the
light in the refrigerator." I guess that's apart from
the guys
in Oregon for whom the only color in their skin comes
from
the three days of sunshine they get each year. But
since
Dynamix's core titles are flight sims, which are in
the
"marginal profitability" area according to
Grenewetzki,
there's little reason to keep the brand alive."

Doesn't sound good to me... is really papy sims any less "marginally
profitable"?

--
Arne Martin

by **Ronald Stoeh** » Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> > Rumors inside Sierra is saying that Papyrus does not fit within Sierra's
> > reorganization. Anyone know what the heck Sierra is up to? They sound like
> > they are getting ready to file for bankruptcy or to dissolve themselves.
> > Isn't sierra owned by the French?!

> > Is there anyone out there who knows what the heck is going on???

> Hey Sierra, please sell Papyrus to someone so I don't have to spend any
> more money buying games from your corporate suits. Please?

And I don't have to install Papy sims in that damn Sierra folder
anymore, plus
tweaking the registry to move it to a folder I want...

l8er
ronny

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message."
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by **Dan Clarke/Operation Sport** » Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:00:00

ARRGGGHHHGHGHGH. Do I have to keep posting the same stuff?

Papyrus is owned by Sierra. Papyrus is their own studio in Watertown
Mass, but their "boss" is Sierra.

There are NO shakeups at Papy. Papy integrated into the "core software"
section of Sierra. This means Papy's bosses are the Core Products
division at Sierra.

It is business as usual at Papy.

And that's the bottom line, cuz Dan said so.

--
Dan Clarke
Managing Editor
Operation Sports
http://www.operationsports.com

by Te » Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:11:46 -0500, "Chris Schletter"

>A) 1967 GP racing...who? what? Where are my mustangs and F1 cars or maybe my
>Taurus NASCAR car? In other words people, especially in the 'States where
>the largest market probably is, don't key in on 1967 GP cars, period. And
>those that do, may or may not be into actually racing them.

It didn't sell that well in Europe either... and yes I agree, 1967
racing doesn't mean much for most people but that's a marketing issue.

Of course. But if that's all the 'simulation' has to offer they
exclude a major part of the *** community and thus have to live
with lousy sales figures. I don't think driving modern F1 is that
simple either and still GP2 was a big hit simply because it pleased
everyone, *** simmer and casual gamer likewise... (read scalable
driving difficulty).

Actually I could find a couple of more points *why* it didn't do well
but then that's not what I meant. Fact is a game like Q2 outsells
*every* simulation type game easily (but with GPL it's a quite drastic
difference), thus the profits that can be made with licensing its
engine are *much* higher - it's just logical that the GPL engine would
have to be available at a considerably lower price.

--Tel

by **Chris Schlette** » Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Yes.

Never said they didn't miss the boat on "scalability". Would have been nice
to see full support [without changing ini files] for racing single player
the Trainer and Advanced Trainer cars as F3/F2 cars. That would have helped
in that respect. However, you STILL must have bought the game in the first
place [and no, the majority of the casual gamers do NOT read *** mags or
online *** mags] and taken it home and tried it.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 26 Sep 1999 04:00:00

One other item is being overlooked here........and from a retailers
viewpoint it's no less important than the others: ability to save a race in
progress.

We (retailers) experienced a backlash to this non-inclusion with the
original Nascar 2. We have also received a similar reaction with GPL.

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by **Larr** » Mon, 27 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Not to mention the on-line updater function that _never_ finds any updates,
even though they do exist.

I have yet had their update utility find _any_ update.

-Larry

> > > Rumors inside Sierra is saying that Papyrus does not fit within
Sierra's
> > > reorganization. Anyone know what the heck Sierra is up to? They
sound like
> > > they are getting ready to file for bankruptcy or to dissolve
themselves.
> > > Isn't sierra owned by the French?!

> > > Is there anyone out there who knows what the heck is going on???

> > Hey Sierra, please sell Papyrus to someone so I don't have to spend any
> > more money buying games from your corporate suits. Please?

> And I don't have to install Papy sims in that damn Sierra folder
> anymore, plus
> tweaking the registry to move it to a folder I want...

> l8er
> ronny

> --
> "I heard if you play the NT-4.0-CD backwards, you get a satanic
> message."
> "That's nothing, if you play it forward, it installs NT-4.0"

by **Meij** » Tue, 28 Sep 1999 04:00:00

But surely as you're under SOR conditions that's not really an issue if
people bring the title back? Sure you don't make the sale (although
credit notes as opposed to refunds would ensure you don't lose) but you
don't lose money either.

M

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Tue, 28 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Not all importers/distributors operate in that manner. In some cases we
small retailers have to operate under completely different trading terms to
large, multi-national, retailers (no names mentioned).

> But surely as you're under SOR conditions that's not really an issue if
> people bring the title back? Sure you don't make the sale (although
> credit notes as opposed to refunds would ensure you don't lose) but you
> don't lose money either.

> M

> >One other item is being overlooked here........and from a retailers
> >viewpoint it's no less important than the others: ability to save a race
> >in progress.

> >We (retailers) experienced a backlash to this non-inclusion with the
> >original Nascar 2. We have also received a similar reaction with GPL.

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