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GPL - maximum speed

Steve Smit

GPL - maximum speed

by Steve Smit » Thu, 26 Dec 2002 02:30:00

Yer right.  Pls post results...when U gottem!


> Actually if we really wanted to prove this out the right way to do it is
> not with a top speed test but with a coast down test.  Top speed tests
> won't be reliable if you don't change the gearing, plus they are
> influenced by how well you came out of the previous corner, or in the
> case of Kyalami, how well the car handles through the kink.  A coast
> down test would get rid of these variables.  You would need a track with
> a long flat straight, like Monza perhaps.  Accelerate up to the
> start/finish line, then cut the throttle and put the clutch in (to
> eliminate the engine braking effect) and let it coast down to zero.  To
> be accurate you would have to analyze this in GPLRA or something
> similar, so the person should then start the car up and complete the lap
> so that the replay can be loaded into GPLRA.  Then in GPLRA in the speed
> vs. distance graph pick out the time it takes to coast from one speed to
> another.  The longer the time, the less the rolling resistance.  You
> would have to pick an initial speed that is less than your s/f speed in
> order to be consistent, say 150 mph.  Or go even lower to reduce the
> influence of aero and increase the resolution.  Also you would not want
> to time it all the way to zero, again for consistency.  For example
> compare the time it takes to go from 60 mph down to 10 mph.  I don't
> know whether the replays really have enough resolution to be able to see
> the differences that we are talking about, but ideally this is the best
> way to sort out differences in rollling resistance from one setup to
> another.  Maybe someone else with a little time on their hands can try
> this out.



> > Mmmmm, I don't think Spa is The Test.  Going down the hill, well, it's
> > downhill.  And going up the hill, well....  Ditto Riverside (at least
> going
> > down the back stretch).  I'd try Reims or Le Mans.

Steve Smit

GPL - maximum speed

by Steve Smit » Thu, 26 Dec 2002 02:31:18

'Ticularly w. a F3...as Haqsau points out.


> You can run flat out at Tally all day...but not at the Vmax, which takes a
> longer to achieve than the stretch between T2 & T3.





> > > At what point do you really start to lose top speed?

> > At no point at all really. Take an F3 to Talladega (or some such track
> where
> > you can run Vmax all day) and you get identical top speeds for zero
toe-in
> > and max toe-in.

> > Bye,
> > Leo

Haqsa

GPL - maximum speed

by Haqsa » Thu, 26 Dec 2002 03:56:11

Er, yeah.  A perfectly reasonable request, but I don't know when I will
have the time.  I was hoping my post would tempt some youngster with a
lot of time on his hands into trying it.  If not, maybe after the
holidays I will have time.


Leo Landma

GPL - maximum speed

by Leo Landma » Thu, 26 Dec 2002 06:50:15



Possibly yes, I don't know. But toe-in and -out are the same...

Of course not, but with a weak engine like that, the differences would show
up even earlier, I'd say.
Anyway, some of my F1 setups have max toe-in and toe-out and I've never
found a significant slow down in speed, there's just a difference in
handling.

Bye,
Leo

Leo Landma

GPL - maximum speed

by Leo Landma » Thu, 26 Dec 2002 06:55:14



Milano would probably be the easiest place to test this.

Bye,
Leo

Haqsa

GPL - maximum speed

by Haqsa » Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:38:59

Well here's an odd one for you... today I took a look at some Monza F1
Eagle setups I had been using, both were very similar but one was
consistently about 2 mph faster on the straights.  The tire pressures
were the same, camber the same, gearing the same...  the only two
differences were that the faster one had 30/30/4 (power/coast/#) in the
diff compared to 60/45/2 on the slower one, and the faster one had 0.125
in. toe out in front and 0.125 in. toe in in the rear, whereas the
slower one had 0.125 in. toe out in front and 0.100 in. toe in in the
rear.  I don't think the diff settings mean squat for top speed, so that
implies that the setup with LESS toe in at the rear was SLOWER.  Weird,
huh?


Leo Landma

GPL - maximum speed

by Leo Landma » Sat, 28 Dec 2002 06:43:09



I think it's not the toe-in but diff settings after all. Your rate of
acceleration varies with different diffs and may well explain the higer top
speed IMO. Do another test :-)

Bye,
Leo

Haqsa

GPL - maximum speed

by Haqsa » Sat, 28 Dec 2002 06:58:32

Haven't nailed it down conclusively yet but I think you are right.
Changing toe settings back didn't seem to do it.  Odd that diff settings
would affect straightaway speed though.  I literally have laps where the
corner exits are the same but the setting with the tighter diff pulled
away above 150 mph or so.  The diff shouldn't be doing a darn thing when
you are going in a straight line.


Leo Landma

GPL - maximum speed

by Leo Landma » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:48:49



Agreed, but a straight line hardly exists, you're always wandering a bit.
Apparently GPL takes all those little moves into account. Anyway, that's my
guess to explain the different top speeds with different diff settings.

Bye,
Leo

ymenar

GPL - maximum speed

by ymenar » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:57:32


> Actually if we really wanted to prove this out the right way to do it is
> not with a top speed test but with a coast down test.  Top speed tests
> won't be reliable if you don't change the gearing, plus they are
> influenced by how well you came out of the previous corner, or in the
> case of Kyalami, how well the car handles through the kink.  A coast
> down test would get rid of these variables.  You would need a track with
> a long flat straight, like Monza perhaps.

Hmm, that's why I said SMOGBANK exist.

There's been extensive testing of this like 2 years ago.  It was the craze
:)

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