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OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

Dave Henri

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Dave Henri » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:53:39

  Even tho it's at least a week delayed now, we still get pretty thorough
race recaps of the World Rallye Championship.  In many of the exterior
shots of the cars you can hear them chip/squeak as they navigate the
corners.  What is the cause of this noise?  Springs? Brakes?
dave henrie
Aibhne O'hAimhirgi

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Aibhne O'hAimhirgi » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:09:18


>   Even tho it's at least a week delayed now, we still get pretty thorough
> race recaps of the World Rallye Championship.  In many of the exterior
> shots of the cars you can hear them chip/squeak as they navigate the
> corners.  What is the cause of this noise?  Springs? Brakes?
> dave henrie

Dave,

I'm not 100% sure, but I'm thinking that it's the ABS kicking in.

Aibhne

Marc Collin

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Marc Collin » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:16:28

It is the engine backfiring through the exhaust and also the turbo spooling
up and down (which happens a lot more "***ly" than on a street car with
a turbo).  The sound on the Speed Channel coverage is 90% backfiring, which
happens very often at gear change, but can also happen just from rapid
throttle input change.

Marc


Marc Collin

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Marc Collin » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:36:15

Actually, I thought about it some more and you are likely aware of what a
backfire sounds like, in which case the unidentified sound is the
transmission changing gears.  These cars use sequential electronically
shifted trannies (a scaled down version of what an F1 car uses), which make
a significant noise when being shifted up or down the range.

Marc


> It is the engine backfiring through the exhaust and also the turbo
spooling
> up and down (which happens a lot more "***ly" than on a street car
with
> a turbo).  The sound on the Speed Channel coverage is 90% backfiring,
which
> happens very often at gear change, but can also happen just from rapid
> throttle input change.

> Marc



> >   Even tho it's at least a week delayed now, we still get pretty
thorough
> > race recaps of the World Rallye Championship.  In many of the exterior
> > shots of the cars you can hear them chip/squeak as they navigate the
> > corners.  What is the cause of this noise?  Springs? Brakes?
> > dave henrie

Mike Beaucham

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Mike Beaucham » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:06:33

Yeah, that's a good question actually.. I really noticed it last year,
especially with the Peugeot! Also, I noticed that the in-car camera in the
Peugeot the whole thing sounds like it whistles really loudly, I'm guessing
it is the turbo, although I don't know much about cars.

I always just assumed that the little chirps and squeaks were from the
suspension or even the brakes. If someone makes a modern day WRC game
(pleeeaaaaaaaaseee), I'd love to be able to hear these same noises during
replays.

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com


Jeff Hail

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Jeff Hail » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:10:40

I'm fairly certain it is the turbo.  I remember it most prominently on the
Audi Quattro's that were run in the late 80's Trans Am.  The sound was also
heard in the CART Indy cars, but not to the same degree.  What little Ralley
car footage I see, I hear the same thing on all the Turbo assisted cars.

Jeff H.


Todd Walke

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Todd Walke » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:03:54



It's the turbo. More accurately, it's the wastegate bleeding off excess
boost. I used to own a slightly modified '86 Buick T-Type that ran the
1/4 mile in the mid-12 second range and in it, you could hear the
wastegate operating when you let off the gas. The Buick had a fairly
large (by today's standards) aftermarket turbo and wastegate so the
sound was more pronounced than it is in a factory stock turbo car.

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d

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by d » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:04:00


>   Even tho it's at least a week delayed now, we still get pretty thorough
> race recaps of the World Rallye Championship.  In many of the exterior
> shots of the cars you can hear them chip/squeak as they navigate the
> corners.  What is the cause of this noise?  Springs? Brakes?
> dave henrie

Jussi Koukk

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Jussi Koukk » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:12:20

It's most likely the turbo blow off valve... it releases the pressure
from the intake manifold when the driver lifts his foot off the
accelerator. AFAIK the only game that has this modelled is netKar
(Supra TT).
--
- JKo -
Dave Henri

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Dave Henri » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:03:25



  But isn't the turbo waste=gate a popping noise?  pop pop this is more
like a bird chirp or a metal on metal squeak.  Do the turbos really sound
like that?
dave henrie

Doug Elliso

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Doug Elliso » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:33:57


Its the wastegate on the Turbo its as they come off the throttle and IIRC -
a valve released pressure from the turbo system to stop it trying to 'push'
the fuel/air mix into the cylinders after the driver has come off the
throttle

Doug

Jussi Koukk

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Jussi Koukk » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:44:51


something like this:



>> It's most likely the turbo blow off valve... it releases the pressure
>> from the intake manifold when the driver lifts his foot off the
>> accelerator. AFAIK the only game that has this modelled is netKar
>> (Supra TT).
>> --
>> - JKo -

>  But isn't the turbo waste=gate a popping noise?  pop pop this is more
>like a bird chirp or a metal on metal squeak.  Do the turbos really sound
>like that?
>dave henrie

The popping noise is probably coming from the ignition system. It cuts
off the ignition while shifting to allow shifting without using the
clutch (semi-automatic transmission, clutch used only for standing
starts).

It could also be the system that is used to spool up the turbo (or
rather to keep it spinning) while lifting off the throttle... I don't
know if this system is currently used in WRC cars though; small amount
gasoline is ignited in the exhaust manifold, which causes pressure in
the manifold and spins the turbo. This also causes the flames you see
coming out of the tail pipe sometimes. This is done to reduce the
turbo lag.
--
- JKo -

Stephan Pasker

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Stephan Pasker » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:57:50




> something like this:



> >> It's most likely the turbo blow off valve... it releases the pressure
> >> from the intake manifold when the driver lifts his foot off the
> >> accelerator. AFAIK the only game that has this modelled is netKar
> >> (Supra TT).
> >> --
> >> - JKo -

> >  But isn't the turbo waste=gate a popping noise?  pop pop this is more
> >like a bird chirp or a metal on metal squeak.  Do the turbos really sound
> >like that?
> >dave henrie

> The popping noise is probably coming from the ignition system. It cuts
> off the ignition while shifting to allow shifting without using the
> clutch (semi-automatic transmission, clutch used only for standing
> starts).

> It could also be the system that is used to spool up the turbo (or
> rather to keep it spinning) while lifting off the throttle... I don't
> know if this system is currently used in WRC cars though; small amount
> gasoline is ignited in the exhaust manifold, which causes pressure in
> the manifold and spins the turbo. This also causes the flames you see
> coming out of the tail pipe sometimes. This is done to reduce the
> turbo lag.

You are absolutely right, 100%. Thats the case for the noises.

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Stephen F

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by Stephen F » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:29:22


A modern WRC car sounds pretty much like an episode of the Three Stooges.
You've got the anti-lag system sounding like Moe going at it with the slap
of his hand (Bang... Bang... grrrr...) followed shortly thereafter by the
distinctive sound of the wastegate, sounding like Curly at his best (Wooo
woo woo woo)...

Even the street-legal Cossie I once drove sounded a treat working its way up
and down a Swiss mountain pass.

Stephen

John Simmon

OT: Why do WRC cars chirp?

by John Simmon » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:34:09


says...

It's the rear end.  They use a "limited slip" differential.


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