rec.autos.simulators

And where do you assume Im talking about Grand Prix Legends, which FYI has a
good online support now (easily in the 5best on the market), even in the
original version.  But GP3 will have NONE of that.  Nadda, zip, niet, non.
I was more talking about Nascar Racing 3, Hawaii and the Nascar Racing
Online Series back in the days.  They have not been matched yet in terms of
online community tools which is much more than simply TCP/IP.

What is your opinion about the lack of Force Feedback also?  Will you pay
for an offline hoplap racing simulation, even if a good one?

Oh your right about that.  So there is Ratbag (even if I consider the
prediction code "good" like GPL, not excellent like the one on the NROS or
N3), Microsoft (C:PR had great online racing, and their arcade series of
software has excellent online racing) and Papyrus.  You see the pattern here
David? We have now Geoff with his elitist attitude who won't have any online
racing.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

David G Fisher skrev i meldingen

You are right about N3/N2. Having good perfromance with a large field of
cars in an online race is pretty impressive. Why not the same with GPL?
Maybe because Kraemmer was just as hard-headed as Crammond is being accused
of?

Actually, I really think the reason there is no TCP/IP racing with GP3 is
because they couldn't/wouldn't pay the price. The reason given to the public
is just a cover.

I think GP3 is going to be THE sim I've always wanted. Modern F1, great
physics, graphics, sound, etc., and I'll buy it the day it's released.  If
so, I'm going to be even more disappointed that it doesn't have online
racing than I would if it was just an ok sim. I'd like my practice time in a
sim to amount to something, and in my mind, only online racing does that.
Hotlapping bores me, and racing the AI just isn't the same as real people.

No sim yet has had everything I've wanted, but GP3 wil probably come
closest.

F1 2000 may save the day though.  :-)

David G Fisher

Thank god im not the only one with a brain in this forum. Only a moron would
post negatively about a game that hasnt been release and has a track record
and history as deep as papyrus. And then to compare it to an upcoming EA
sports game? What are you people on?

And here I thought it was caused by that *gigiantic * chip on your shoulder.
Perhaps a touch of bursitis from all the trolling you do? Simple remedy for
all those problems but I think you're enjoying yourself too much to take it.

Doctor David

On the Contrary, GPL sits merrily atop the waves, bobbing along, ready to
depth charge the already sinkning carcasses of all inferior sims...

<snipped>

Personally, I think it's more testament of a simple disposition to assume
that "if it's by such_and_such, it'll be ok."

Wake up man.

Jan.
----

Oh yes, the GP series stretches back over so many titles. When it takes this
many years to develop a "new" game, we, as the buyers, have a right to
expect improvements to be implemented. If they're not going to make
improvements, despite the fact the technology is available, naturally, some
will be upset

Now *you're* starting on EA sports, and about a game that's not been
released, where's that brain, in a jar?

I also think it's a cover, but for a different reason. _IF_ GP3 still
has the same core engine as GP2, regarding the timing, it is hard to
synchronize multiple clients over the Internet. (Think slomo) That
said, and reading the feature list, I wonder how they will support 16
LAN drivers....

I agree with you.

GP3 will be a great game, I'm sure. But I know I'll be bored with it
after a few weeks, and will return to GPL just to drive humans and
test the flight model of the Eagle at Curva Grande <g>. Of course, if
the rumors about an anual upgrade for GP3 are true, we can expect
thing like FF and online play soon. (note: soon for a GPx title)

Everytime I see something about F1 2000 I'm a bit dissapointed. Not
that it's bad, but it's a bit pale compared to the hype (by you, for
example) created. I remember the same regarding SCGT and RC2000.....
Of course, like always in cases like this, I love to be wrong...

Remco

Okie.  Don't forget SODA Off-Road, who had good multiplayer racing actually
I say.

I guess it goes back to having cars with high sideway momemtum (GPL cars)
and having a much more complex packet setting.  You need more bandwith/car
in GPL compared to any other Papyrus racing simulator.  Formula 1 cars have
a high front/rear momemtum, and that's much more easy to recreate in a
prediction code.

I personally think it's a cover for the actual reason of not being able to.
But I would rather see them put a very basic TCP/IP code then patching it
(like the current GPL online racing, or even the Nascar Racing 3 racing).

Your right.  Unfortunately I do not want to race any AI anymore, and for me
offline racing is not what Im searching for.  Even if it's the best friggin
physics, sound, graphics, it will dissapoint me.  I also feel that GP3 is
THE sim I've always wanted.

I have my doubts.  I would say in that case "I have a bad feeling about
this"  ;-)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

I'm a troll, and I live under a bridge.

David G fisher

If you can find one post by me where I hype F1 2000, I'd love to see it.

RC 2000 lived up to the hype. Ask anyone.............outside r.a.s.
(offisial headquarters of the GPL fan club).

David G Fisher

-DK

Gamara goodbye, and screeched in message

[snip]

In a recent poll, the readers of High Gear voted RC the sim of the year over
SCGT, DTR, GP500, and N3

It wasn't even close.

But you're right......as usual.

Actually, nobody at HG ever even bothers to talk about RC because it's so
bad. Take a look at the numbers.

http://forums.simracingnews.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&Byp...
ie=true

David G Fisher

<START EARLIER POST>

Subject: Re: Request a snapshot of openwheel sims
Date: 03/01/2000

F12000 is due to be released at the end of the month, and GP3 this
summer. Forget the rest.

David G Fisher

<END EARLIER POST>

You once said that RC2000 would be a better simulation then GPL.
Do you still believe that? I don't think that RC2000 is a good
simulation. As a matter of fact, beside the beautifull graphics, it is
quite mediocre...

Remco