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NR2003 diff steering wheels affect handling

Brian Postm

NR2003 diff steering wheels affect handling

by Brian Postm » Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:47:04

I wanted to see if I would like a force feedback wheel.  So I have
been going back and forth between a Thrustmaster Pro Digital 2 and a
MS Sidewinder FF USB wheel.  I have the Steering linearity at 80% for
the TM, and 100% for MSFF, with FF strength at 50%, damping and
latency at 0%

What I have found is that a loose setup like "fast" at Vegas does not
appear nearly as loose with the MSFF wheel.  I started off at Vegas
with the MSFF and was tight with the "fast" setup.  So I put the TM
back in and noticed I was loose on exit and had to take corner entry
more carefully or I would lose the rear end on entry too.  Plus if I
tried the setup where I had tried to fix the tightness with MSFF,  I
was really really loose.

I can get the same lap times at Vega with either wheel, but they are
not good (bl very high 32., mainly low 33) .  But now I am not sure if
I am loose or tight since it depends on the wheel.  Is the FF "hiding"
the looseness from me?  Using the MSFF my entry into the corners gets
tighter and tighter with laps as the car just will not turn into the
corners and drifts out to the wall.  Also I sometimes get a wiggle
comming out of the turns, I now suspect this is cause I am actually
loose on exit  but I did not realize that until I used the TM.  

 Is this normal?  Maybe I am just not used to the feel of the MSFF?
What is FF supposed to do for you?

bpostma
cobra-drvr

MadDAW

NR2003 diff steering wheels affect handling

by MadDAW » Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:00:18

Wheels can play a huge role in setups/driving style. things like range of
motion can effect things a lot. Wheels can range from 180 sweep to 270
sweep. With the same steering ratio you would have to turn the 270 degree
much farther than a 180 sweep wheel to get the virtual car's tires in the
same orientation.

I have a MOMO and I have to run the profiler software steering axis setting
at 33% to take full advantage of the 270 sweep. If I run it at the default
setting of 50% NR2003 (or any other Papy game) will not use the full sweep
of the wheel.  The numbers on the calibration screen stop at what would be
the end of a 240 degree sweep wheel.

MadDAWG

Brian Postm

NR2003 diff steering wheels affect handling

by Brian Postm » Fri, 28 Feb 2003 04:25:22

Hmmm.  That is one more difference in the wheel I overlooked.  The TM
is a 180 wheel the MSFF is more like 315???  Anyway to account for
this with the MSFF like you did with the momo?

So what is the FF really trying to give you a feel of the tires or the
weight transfers of the car?

bpostma

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:00:18 -0500, "MadDAWG"


>Wheels can play a huge role in setups/driving style. things like range of
>motion can effect things a lot. Wheels can range from 180 sweep to 270
>sweep. With the same steering ratio you would have to turn the 270 degree
>much farther than a 180 sweep wheel to get the virtual car's tires in the
>same orientation.

>I have a MOMO and I have to run the profiler software steering axis setting
>at 33% to take full advantage of the 270 sweep. If I run it at the default
>setting of 50% NR2003 (or any other Papy game) will not use the full sweep
>of the wheel.  The numbers on the calibration screen stop at what would be
>the end of a 240 degree sweep wheel.

>MadDAWG

b..

NR2003 diff steering wheels affect handling

by b.. » Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:52:40

        Interesting.  With my MOMO, the fast setup is intolerably
tight off the corner.  It is loose in, but maybe just because of the
brake setting.  IMHO, a fast setup at Las Vegas will be so loose as to
need to be driven very carefully for 3-4 laps until the tires get up
to temperature, especially when feeding the throttle back on.

        > Is this normal?  Maybe I am just not used to the feel of the
MSFF?  What is FF supposed to do for you?
        FF gives you some feeling for what the front wheels are doing.
It also prevents you (or at least gives you negative feedback) from
jerking the wheel unnaturally.  That may be why the non-FF wheel makes
the car feel loose, you may simply be cranking it in too abruptly.

Larr

NR2003 diff steering wheels affect handling

by Larr » Sat, 01 Mar 2003 23:57:42

I'd go with the MSFFW.  It's a proven, reliable and inexpensive wheel that
also has about the best pedals available in a consumer-class wheel.

You can find it on sale for around $79 from time to time.  Typically it's
$99 these days.

Larry


MadDAW

NR2003 diff steering wheels affect handling

by MadDAW » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 02:19:49

Darn.  I saw an open box one at Best But for $39 bucks the other day. Guess
I should have snagged it. Maybe I'll stop on my way home tonight and see if
its still there. Sounds like a good back up at the very least.

MadDAWG

Me

NR2003 diff steering wheels affect handling

by Me » Mon, 03 Mar 2003 00:55:30

On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:19:49 -0500, "MadDAWG"


}I saw an open box one at Best But for $39 bucks the other day.

Amazon.com was running them at $79 minus a $20 rebate last week with
free express shipping ($59 total)...

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