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Handling Racecars, Papyrus-you`re right!

Chee

Handling Racecars, Papyrus-you`re right!

by Chee » Mon, 13 Jan 1997 04:00:00

I admit - I was mistaken on the weight bias issue started by me- after
some digging in "Race car vehicle dynamics", I was enlightened. I had it
all confused with my FWD race car, which has a fwd CG to improve
traction for the drive wheels exiting turns.
However, I could quote from the above mentioned book that a fwd CG/bias
does improve turn-in, a feature I think is not working in the
NASCAR/INDYCAR sims.

Matthew (Cheek)
Go #3, Go #88

Jim Sokolo

Handling Racecars, Papyrus-you`re right!

by Jim Sokolo » Mon, 13 Jan 1997 04:00:00


>I admit - I was mistaken on the weight bias issue started by me- after
>some digging in "Race car vehicle dynamics", I was enlightened. I had it
>all confused with my FWD race car, which has a fwd CG to improve
>traction for the drive wheels exiting turns.
>However, I could quote from the above mentioned book that a fwd CG/bias
>does improve turn-in, a feature I think is not working in the
>NASCAR/INDYCAR sims.

If it's the book I'm thinking of (by the SAE), you could just e-mail
me the location of the reference in the text. Remember, my derivation
covered only steady-state cornering; the dynamic effects are difficult
to rigorously treat in a mathematical proof. That doesn't mean that we
don't intend to support them in the game...

---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

Aw C'mon

Handling Racecars, Papyrus-you`re right!

by Aw C'mon » Mon, 13 Jan 1997 04:00:00


> I admit - I was mistaken on the weight bias issue started by me- after
> some digging in "Race car vehicle dynamics", I was enlightened. I had it
> all confused with my FWD race car, which has a fwd CG to improve
> traction for the drive wheels exiting turns.
> However, I could quote from the above mentioned book that a fwd CG/bias
> does improve turn-in, a feature I think is not working in the
> NASCAR/INDYCAR sims.

> Matthew (Cheek)
> Go #3, Go #88

Hey, Cheek!

You're a good man to admit a wrong.  As you know, it seems nothing is
true "all the time" when it comes to chassis engineering.  "Most of the
time" this rule works, "Some of the time" that rule works.  It doesn't
matter how many formulas and calculations get discovered, it seems
someone out there is always able to turn a steering wheel a different
way and throw the whole theory off!  Oh well, that's what makes racing
so interesting...

C ya on the track pardner!


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