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Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

Frédéric SIV

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by Frédéric SIV » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:12:17

1. Which sim (even game) could be used to learn how to change gears properly
without stalling the engine.
2. Is there any sim which teaches you how to REAL drive in a city, stopping
at red lights, and all things you need to get your driving licence ?

Many thanks

RenderedBri

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by RenderedBri » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:25:49



driving lessons!  I wouldn't recommend learnign to drive using a pc game!  

-
brian

David Butte

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by David Butte » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:08:03


BSM (a big British driving lessons company) have their own simulator,
which is often on display for public use at exhibitions etc (I last saw
it at the Bristol Balloon Fiesta in August...). The various motoring
organisations and police are in favour of it, but I don't think there's
anything like it available for home use, as the power needed is just
too high. Give it a few years, though...

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himrli..

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by himrli.. » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:22:49

Sierra publishes Driver's Education 99.  It's
available through Amazon.com for about $30.

According to the blurb, it:

Includes traffic laws for all 50 states and the
District of Columbia and can be customized for
your state

Packed with over 50 interactive lesson plans
created with the help of some of the nation's top
driving instructors

Drive through a 3-D simulation with real-world
situations

Learn driving maneuvers and defensive driving
techniques

Comes with a money-back guarantee that you'll pass
your test
======================================

That won't help with learning to drive a manual
transmission, but it might help learning how to
handle driving.

On 10 Feb 2001 16:08:03 GMT,



>>1. Which sim (even game) could be used to learn how to change gears
>>properly without stalling the engine.
>>2. Is there any sim which teaches you how to REAL drive in a city,
>>stopping at red lights, and all things you need to get your driving
>>licence ?

>BSM (a big British driving lessons company) have their own simulator,
>which is often on display for public use at exhibitions etc (I last saw
>it at the Bristol Balloon Fiesta in August...). The various motoring
>organisations and police are in favour of it, but I don't think there's
>anything like it available for home use, as the power needed is just
>too high. Give it a few years, though...

>--
>David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92)
>The GPL Scrapyard - http://scrapyard.netcabins.com
>Earn (not very much) cash with "Ciao!" reviews - http://uk.ciao.com
>"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
>really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

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himrli..

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by himrli.. » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:25:02

But Sierra's Driver's Education probably won't be
a big help for learning to drive a car in Belgium.
:(

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himrli..

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by himrli.. » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:37:19

Try looking at Driving School-NL at www.medio.be.

On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:12:17 +0100, "Frdric


>1. Which sim (even game) could be used to learn how to change gears properly
>without stalling the engine.
>2. Is there any sim which teaches you how to REAL drive in a city, stopping
>at red lights, and all things you need to get your driving licence ?

>Many thanks

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himrli..

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by himrli.. » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:57:55

This fellow recommends Porsche Challenge (Porsche
Unleashed).

http://www.game-junkie.com/Features/ShiftvsManual/shifting.htm

On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:12:17 +0100, "Frdric


>1. Which sim (even game) could be used to learn how to change gears properly
>without stalling the engine.
>2. Is there any sim which teaches you how to REAL drive in a city, stopping
>at red lights, and all things you need to get your driving licence ?

>Many thanks

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Brian Shor

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by Brian Shor » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 03:54:40



1. The upcoming World Sports Cars supposedly has full clutch modelling,
so if you dont release the clutch just right, you can stall the car.
The problem here is there aren't very many pedal sets that include a
clutch pedal

2. A few people have mentioned the game from Sierra.  This is the only
game like this for the home PC that I know about

IMO the best way to learn how to drive a manual is to drive a manual.
A game simply wont give you the correct feel that a real car will. It
only took me an afternoon to where I could drive the car without
stalling, and to get somewhat smooth.  I'm still not totally smooth,
but it's only a very small lurch once in awhile.  The only place I
still occationally stall is on hills, since I dont usually stop on them.

Brian

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Larr

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by Larr » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:05:08

This would require an analog clutch.

Changing gears is easy.  That can be learned in an hour.

Getting the car to start moving, especially on an incline, is what's tough
to learn.  With a 'digital' on/off clutch you can't really get a feel for
it.

I recommend the old fashioned way.  Parent's car, in an empty Parking Lot,
on Sunday :)

-Larry


Doug Millike

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by Doug Millike » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:20:07

If you can find an old Atari Hard Drivin' or Race Drivin' arcade game (sit
down cabinet version) it can be used to learn how to shift a 4-speed with
clutch.  I've trained several people this way -- much cheaper than burning
out a clutch, and no annoying "feedback" from your passenger/parent/
instructor either!

Ask this question over on the arcade game collectors newsgroup,
see if you can find one of these games in someone's collection.


> 1. Which sim (even game) could be used to learn how to change gears properly
> without stalling the engine.
> 2. Is there any sim which teaches you how to REAL drive in a city, stopping
> at red lights, and all things you need to get your driving licence ?

> Many thanks

G

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by G » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:03:16


Look on the bright side - at the least the cars will be driving on the
appropriate side of the road, unlike any driving simulator written
here in Australia, or NZ, or Britain etc...    :)

Disgruntled Go

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by Disgruntled Go » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:49:45

On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:12:17 +0100, "Frdric SIVA"


>1. Which sim (even game) could be used to learn how to change gears properly
>without stalling the engine.
>2. Is there any sim which teaches you how to REAL drive in a city, stopping
>at red lights, and all things you need to get your driving licence ?

>Many thanks

Until they come up with reliable clutch devices for computers (by
reliable I mean "feels like the real thing"), and develop AI that is
spontaneously unpredictable (just like RI), then no such thing will
exist, at least nothing worth using as a teaching aid.

DG

J. Todd Wass

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by J. Todd Wass » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:36:48

  I agree with you.  I learned to drive a stick on these games, and even
learned how to get out of a an accidental (or not so accidental ;-)) slide with
Hard Drivin' and Race Drivin'.
Todd Wasson
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Performance Simulations
Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction
Software
http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

Matthew V. Jessic

Which sim to learn changing gears in real car

by Matthew V. Jessic » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:09:03


> But Sierra's Driver's Education probably won't be
> a big help for learning to drive a car in Belgium.
> :(

Why not? Scenarios I'd put in if I were making
such a situation include things like a large truck
stopping in front of you at a stop light on a steep hill.
(How close should the student stop behind the truck?)

Have a car behind honk just before the car ahead
brakes sharply. (Does the student turn his head and stare at
the car behind waving his***at the driver until he hits the
car in front? ;)

How about the ever popular: When to pass the car ahead?
(On the up side of a hill crest? Too bad:  - 5 points and
HONK!  HONK!  SCREEEETCH! ;)

The usefulness of a simulator is you can pack into it
dozens of situations that might take the student
a thousand hours of the real activity before he experiences it.

Of course, the first time he encounters the situation in real life,
he might kill himself and thereby gain no instructional
benefit from that experience. ;)

- Matt


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