rec.autos.simulators

by **amp gree** » Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:41:12

Did Rick Mears compete in alot of off road desert and hill climb
competition before he competed in Indy car racing ?
I don't remember if he was as sucessful in off-road racing.

> AJ. 4 wins at Indy - wins at Daytona 500 - Nascar - USAC stocks and sprints -
> LeMans - Rolex 24 with the greatest drive (in the rain) that I've ever
> witnessed and this from a man who hated "sporty car racing" because he didn't
> like having to slow down.

> Someone else mentioned Tim Richmond. In my humble opinion, may be the most
> talented driver I ever saw. Too sad that we will never know if he would have
> reached his potential.

> Mike

by **Ian** » Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:06:37

>Did Rick Mears compete in alot of off road desert and hill climb
>competition before he competed in Indy car racing ?
>I don't remember if he was as sucessful in off-road racing.

I believe he did some off-road racing, but it was his brother Roger
(Casey's dad) who was more successful at it.

by **b..** » Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:21:27

I saw Mark Donahue win a Trans-Am race at Ste. Jovite. Admittedly not
the best competition, but...

There's a R at the end of the main straight, a short straight, and a
L. The schlubs would use half the track through the R to get back for
the L. The fast guys would drift through the corner, maybe ending up
a little short, maybe dumping a wheel off. They'd scramble to get
position for the L.

Donahue would come screaming in until you were sure he wouldn't make
it. Hs brake lights were on far deeper into the corner than anyone.
He'd drift through the R to the very edge of the track, and regain
traction with the car pointed perfectly, slightly across the track,
heading for the L. Lap after lap, exactly the same.

He did well in IROC, when that meant something.

Also, Nuvolari frequently beat the world's best while driving inferior
cars.

by **Stephen F** » Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:51:18

Sorry, he never won LeMans and is therefore not eligible... :-)

Of course Mario's the man. He also gets bonus points for being fast and
active in his 50s.

by **George Ada** » Sat, 01 Mar 2003 00:53:47

How about Phil Hill ? or Dan Gurney?

George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

by **Jeff Vince** » Sat, 01 Mar 2003 01:19:20

>>If you mean drivers who have won the most races in several categories and not just participants,
>>Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon have more all around success than Robby.
>>Tim Richmond was also pretty good all around when he was alive. IIRC

>True, especially given Jeff's great performance at the Michelin Race
>of Champions recently. Robby's name was just the first to pop in my
>head since it seems he keeps jumping from one kind of racing vehicle
>to another.

>"Jack of all trades..."

Or "can't hold down a job"? :)

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

by **kero..** » Sat, 01 Mar 2003 05:38:46

Henri Toivonen, Senna, F3, now I am confused. I thought Brundle gave
Senna a run for his money in 1983. Can you explain how Toivonen got
involved???

On the subject of all rouders : has anyone thought of John Surtees.
Drove Formula cars, Sportscars and won a shitload of motorbike titles,
although Mario Andretti, Clark and Ickx are also way up there...

by **Rolf Weseman** » Mon, 03 Mar 2003 01:01:58

I think Tazio Nuvolari is the best driver ever. He won many titles on many
cars in an eara, where the men drove the cars, no ingenieurs on their
computers.

Rolf

> >Henri Toivonen ofcourse.
> >He was the guy who gave Senna a match in F3, and he was the guy who won
> >Rallys in the group-b era.
> >He drove in group c, in Porsche 956 with Derek Bell.
> >etc, etc. Not the fastest group c-driver,but overall he was one of the
best
> >imo :)
> >If he had lived for another 10years, i wouldnt be surprised to see him in
> >F1.

> Henri Toivonen, Senna, F3, now I am confused. I thought Brundle gave
> Senna a run for his money in 1983. Can you explain how Toivonen got
> involved???

> On the subject of all rouders : has anyone thought of John Surtees.
> Drove Formula cars, Sportscars and won a shitload of motorbike titles,
> although Mario Andretti, Clark and Ickx are also way up there...

by **Rich** » Mon, 03 Mar 2003 01:27:11

Q. Officer, what led you to believe the defendant was under the influence?

A. Because he was argumentary and he couldn't pronunciate his words.

;-)

> > >Henri Toivonen ofcourse.
> > >He was the guy who gave Senna a match in F3, and he was the guy who won
> > >Rallys in the group-b era.
> > >He drove in group c, in Porsche 956 with Derek Bell.
> > >etc, etc. Not the fastest group c-driver,but overall he was one of the
> best
> > >imo :)
> > >If he had lived for another 10years, i wouldnt be surprised to see him
in
> > >F1.

> > Henri Toivonen, Senna, F3, now I am confused. I thought Brundle gave
> > Senna a run for his money in 1983. Can you explain how Toivonen got
> > involved???

> > On the subject of all rouders : has anyone thought of John Surtees.
> > Drove Formula cars, Sportscars and won a shitload of motorbike titles,
> > although Mario Andretti, Clark and Ickx are also way up there...

by **Stephen F** » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 17:10:37

> > I think Tazio Nuvolari is the best driver ever. He won many titles on
many
> > cars in an eara, where the men drove the cars, no ingenieurs on their
> > computers.

> > Rolf

> Q. Officer, what led you to believe the defendant was under the influence?

> A. Because he was argumentary and he couldn't pronunciate his words.

Hi Rich

How are your german-language skills? Rolf obviously is posting from
germany, and making the effort to post in his second language.

Engineer in german is "ingenieur"... it's a simple mistake, and the rigid
use of commas for subordinate clauses is also a quirk of the german
language.

Play nice now :-)

Stephen

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who is the best all around driver currently and in the history of auto racing ???

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