rec.autos.simulators

> >heck, you can barely stay on the street without going up on the
> >sidewalk.

> One slight correction to that sentence, it should have read "_I_ caan
> barely stay on the street...". Be sure that thers are zipping around
> Monaco with no problem at all - now. It is difficult, it is a
> challenge and it does take practice. Lots and lots of practice.

> Isn't that part of the beauty of the sim though? Spa is number three
> on your list, and while Spa is indeed a jaw-dropping circuit (one of
> my personal faves), where would be the fun if all the tracks were
> wide-open, flowing, and 140mph+ average laps? Monaco in the sim
> mirrors Monaco in real life - impractical, ridiculous even, but a
> massive challenge for car and driver.

> yup. because the track will not have changed most likely when the REAL one
> is available. i doubt that they would repair a track so far into
> production. heck, you can barely stay on the street without going up on the
> sidewalk. two cars? forget it! don't get me wrong - all of the others are
> beautiful with the possible exception of zandvoort, but the monaco track is
> VERY substandard.

> 1. the 'ring
> 2. rouen
> 3. spa
> 4. watkins glen
> 5. monza
> 6. mosport
> 7. mexico
> 8. silverstone
> 9. kyalama
> 10. zandvoort

> 12. monaco

> > vey disappointing. way too narrow to race and only SLIGHTLY beautiful
> > (at least when compared to the 'ring). sigh.

>  Jay,
>     I was lucky enough to see the real Monaco track in 1995 and it is
> incredible to think that people actually race F1 cars on those narrow
> streets. From the pictures I have seen it looks looks to me that the
> streets are somewhat wider now (not much, but a little) than they were in
> 1967. Taken on the whole, it looks pretty darn good to me <ggg.> All the
> best, Mike

> Ah thanks... This is probably why Monaco will become a very good track IMHO
> for online racing. The track isn't that long, and with all the low speed
> cornering you risk less often to actually spin off the track. It's a little
> more forgiving than all the rest of the tracks I would say.

> I mean... just check out the Mirabeau/Station/Portier  complex.  It's
> incredibly slow, and you must use total concentration.  I seriously think
> some corners has to be taken with a wheel on the sidewalk (exiting Mirabeau
> per example).

> I mean, Jay you just searched trouble... ALL the Papyrus tracks in GPL are
> the most sofisticated track layouts ever in a racing title, and IMHO are at
> least 1-2years ahead of any other company. I mean, it's just not
> track/grass/armco that you find in ALL the other racing games.

> At least if you would have a little more information to back you up, many of
> us actually 1) went to Monaco  2) Remember the 1967 Monaco GP  3) have
> pictures, text, movies, etc... about the tracks.

> Jeez, what a juvenile.

> that is why i am disappointed. if they were
> going to drop the ball on a track, why not mexico or somewhere else that i don't
> care about? the monaco IN THE WAREZ version is the worst of the bunch. of
> course, i have to withhold final judgement after the "real" one is finally out.

> for what it is worth, i would rather do a few laps at the 'ring than sleep with
> any of your wives.

> > LOL!!!
> > "SUB-STANDARD"!!!  ????
> > By whose measurements....yours??

> yup. i like the look of GP2's monaco much better. the GPL version looks like a
> bad cartoon. i have zero problems with the circuit (despite my sucking badly at
> it), but the artwork looks like a rush job.

> > Welcome to the real world of "round-the-houses" racing, pally.  Where,
> > to pass another car, you have  to use a combination of strategy, skill,
> > guile and the handling attributes of your car.

> > Just a little but different to what you may be used to...but then so is
> > Grand Prix Legends.

> okay, brucey - which track do you think LOOKS the worst? it sure ain't spa, the
> 'ring or rouen.

> I like the way you say that...  As if it was a bad thing to be french
> speaking...  This is pure racism.  I sincerely hope this is not what
> was intended, and if it wasn't, I'd recommend adding some emoticons to
> your comments in the future to avoid confusion.  We, the
> french-speaking people, make huge efforts to speak the language of the
> majority on the internet, this doesn't mean we aren't proud of our
> culture.

> I had to spit that out, hope I didn't go out of bounds...  Oh, and
> sorry if you weren't implying that being french-speaking is a bad
> thing.

> A. Renault