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NR2003: Easing pull to the left

Nick

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Nick » Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:45:45

Whats the best way in the garage to ease the pull to the left?  I have a
good Daytona qual setup speed wise, but I'm losing speed in the corners
trying to keep it smooth.

TIA,

Nick

Jan Verschuere

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:36:52

"Nick" wrote..

If you don't want a "pull to the left" you need to make your setups
symmetrical, with even chassis settings and weight distribution settings
left to right.

Anything that will be fast on an anti-clockwise run oval, however, will have
a tendency to turn left of its own accord. Using a correctly set up force
feedback wheel will counter, to a large extent, the feel of a "left pull",
but you will still have to steer it to the right to go straight regardless.
There is no way around that except physically re-aligning your wheel per
track.

Why an option to re-center the steering for non-FF wheels wasn't included in
the game for non-FF users is anyone's guess. Perhaps it's a hint.

Jan.
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locke

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by locke » Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:15:55

Try changing the camber on the left front tire. On a real car that will
reduce pull but it will increase tire wear.

locker


> Whats the best way in the garage to ease the pull to the left?  I
> have a good Daytona qual setup speed wise, but I'm losing speed in
> the corners trying to keep it smooth.

> TIA,

> Nick

Steve Smit

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Steve Smit » Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:05:31

It's neither the overall setup nor the camber, it's mostly the caster angle
and--to a lesser degree--the track-bar length.  If you don't want the car to
pull in one direction or t'other, these should be symmetrical.


Dave Henri

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Dave Henri » Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:14:59


    Larry and I used to go round and round on this, ever since
N4 was released.  My stock answer for these types of
quesions is....
    If you don't want the pull, then buy N3.  :)
I know this doesn't apply to your situation, you are looking at
smoothing your steering, so I guess the next question should
be, what kind of wheel/pedal set do you have? (Force feedback?)  

Larr

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Larr » Thu, 05 Feb 2004 02:11:29

Turn on Steering Assistance to no more than 5%.  It will also make it less
sensitive on-center without having to mess with the linear setting.

Do not go above 5% or your tires will wear faster.

Other than that, you can do it by making a more symetrical setup, but it's
going to kill your lap times.

-Larry


Larr

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Larr » Thu, 05 Feb 2004 02:14:46

Here we go again :)

That is all well and good dave, but not everyone's wheel is the same.  For
example, the MS SideWinder Non-FF is absolutely MISERABLE in NR200x because
of it's strong centering spring and center detent.   Ditto for a FF wheel
that has FF turned off and the phony centering spring engaged (which you
can't control in NR2003).

These are just two examples of why Papy should have listened to people like
the Nascar Heat folks did.

-Larry



> > It's neither the overall setup nor the camber, it's mostly the caster
angle
> > and--to a lesser degree--the track-bar length.  If you don't want the
car to
> > pull in one direction or t'other, these should be symmetrical.

>     Larry and I used to go round and round on this, ever since
> N4 was released.  My stock answer for these types of
> quesions is....
>     If you don't want the pull, then buy N3.  :)
> I know this doesn't apply to your situation, you are looking at
> smoothing your steering, so I guess the next question should
> be, what kind of wheel/pedal set do you have? (Force feedback?)

Mitch_

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Mitch_ » Thu, 05 Feb 2004 02:29:08

Steering assistance too?  Whats next?  XBox or Playstation :)

Seriously, Im still amazed to this day how many of you self proclaimed
"sim-racers" use aids and drive outside of the***pit.  I'm also amazed at
the littany of excuses as to why guys use the cheats :)

Mitch


Mitch_

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Mitch_ » Thu, 05 Feb 2004 02:34:59

I re-read this Larry and its sounds kinda like Im pointing a finger at you.
Im not, just a blanket statement is all.


> Steering assistance too?  Whats next?  XBox or Playstation :)

> Seriously, Im still amazed to this day how many of you self proclaimed
> "sim-racers" use aids and drive outside of the***pit.  I'm also amazed
at
> the littany of excuses as to why guys use the cheats :)

> Mitch



> > Turn on Steering Assistance to no more than 5%.  It will also make it
less
> > sensitive on-center without having to mess with the linear setting.

> > Do not go above 5% or your tires will wear faster.

> > Other than that, you can do it by making a more symetrical setup, but
it's
> > going to kill your lap times.

> > -Larry

SimRace

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by SimRace » Thu, 05 Feb 2004 04:40:47


Steering linearity. Crank it up, pull goes away without taking out the setup
pieces that cause it, which are necessary components to a good setup
typically, for ovals anyway. You WANT the car to try and turn left for you,
the linearity from install is like 20%, good for keyboarders mainly if I had
to guess.

If you have a decent wheel, crank it up to 100% and back it off a point or
two at the time until the car is running true for you and isn't too twitchy.

jason moy

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by jason moy » Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:59:15


> For
>example, the MS SideWinder Non-FF is absolutely MISERABLE in NR200x because
>of it's strong centering spring and center detent.

Works fine for me.  I've never had a problem with car stability on
ovals in N4/N2002/N2003 (granted I've run ovals maybe 4 times since
N2003 came out).

Jason

Larr

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Larr » Fri, 06 Feb 2004 03:14:47

Watch that high-horse there, Mitch.  It may poop on yer head :)

My suggestion to use Steering Assistance was to overcome a CONTROLLER issue,
not make the game any easier or harder.

-Larry


> Steering assistance too?  Whats next?  XBox or Playstation :)

> Seriously, Im still amazed to this day how many of you self proclaimed
> "sim-racers" use aids and drive outside of the***pit.  I'm also amazed
at
> the littany of excuses as to why guys use the cheats :)

> Mitch



> > Turn on Steering Assistance to no more than 5%.  It will also make it
less
> > sensitive on-center without having to mess with the linear setting.

> > Do not go above 5% or your tires will wear faster.

> > Other than that, you can do it by making a more symetrical setup, but
it's
> > going to kill your lap times.

> > -Larry

Larr

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Larr » Fri, 06 Feb 2004 03:15:26

Ok, you can duck from the horse poop then :)

-Larry


> I re-read this Larry and its sounds kinda like Im pointing a finger at
you.
> Im not, just a blanket statement is all.



> > Steering assistance too?  Whats next?  XBox or Playstation :)

> > Seriously, Im still amazed to this day how many of you self proclaimed
> > "sim-racers" use aids and drive outside of the***pit.  I'm also amazed
> at
> > the littany of excuses as to why guys use the cheats :)

> > Mitch



> > > Turn on Steering Assistance to no more than 5%.  It will also make it
> less
> > > sensitive on-center without having to mess with the linear setting.

> > > Do not go above 5% or your tires will wear faster.

> > > Other than that, you can do it by making a more symetrical setup, but
> it's
> > > going to kill your lap times.

> > > -Larry

Steve Smit

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Steve Smit » Fri, 06 Feb 2004 03:12:50

For N2003, I use the original (black) Logi MOMO FF w. TSW pedals.  For GPL,
I've been using a roller-bearing Logi WMFF w. ECCI Trackstar 3000 pedals,
but I'm thinking of going back to my (non-FF) ECCI wheel & pedals.



> > It's neither the overall setup nor the camber, it's mostly the caster
angle
> > and--to a lesser degree--the track-bar length.  If you don't want the
car to
> > pull in one direction or t'other, these should be symmetrical.

>     Larry and I used to go round and round on this, ever since
> N4 was released.  My stock answer for these types of
> quesions is....
>     If you don't want the pull, then buy N3.  :)
> I know this doesn't apply to your situation, you are looking at
> smoothing your steering, so I guess the next question should
> be, what kind of wheel/pedal set do you have? (Force feedback?)

Steve Smit

NR2003: Easing pull to the left

by Steve Smit » Fri, 06 Feb 2004 03:14:28

Papy has consistently produced the best FF (and replay) s/w of any
developer.  If I wuz them, I'd be licensing these puppies.


> Here we go again :)

> That is all well and good dave, but not everyone's wheel is the same.  For
> example, the MS SideWinder Non-FF is absolutely MISERABLE in NR200x
because
> of it's strong centering spring and center detent.   Ditto for a FF wheel
> that has FF turned off and the phony centering spring engaged (which you
> can't control in NR2003).

> These are just two examples of why Papy should have listened to people
like
> the Nascar Heat folks did.

> -Larry




> > > It's neither the overall setup nor the camber, it's mostly the caster
> angle
> > > and--to a lesser degree--the track-bar length.  If you don't want the
> car to
> > > pull in one direction or t'other, these should be symmetrical.

> >     Larry and I used to go round and round on this, ever since
> > N4 was released.  My stock answer for these types of
> > quesions is....
> >     If you don't want the pull, then buy N3.  :)
> > I know this doesn't apply to your situation, you are looking at
> > smoothing your steering, so I guess the next question should
> > be, what kind of wheel/pedal set do you have? (Force feedback?)


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